Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Zaft]

Tanks are not the boss of anyone.

No, see, I don't think you understand.

[Rendecrow]

tank are not the slave of the group.... like i have said, even if the 3 other want, if the tank don't want he is not forced to it. it's not a democracy... it's fair, everyone is there for have fun, if the tank don't want to pull everything.... he is not forced to go with the will of the group. if you want to make clean sweep in dungeon use PF!

The tank is not the slave of the group? But the way you phrase it, it seems to me that you are suggesting that the group is the slave of the tank... Why should three people have to follow what one person wants? Pretty sure the one person should follow the three.

EDIT: That being said I fully understand that groups need a leader, but just because you are the tank does not make you the default leader. If you are in a 4 man party and the other 3 people don't want you to be leader, then you are not the leader even if you are the tank.

[Intaki]

Oh look, tanks coming together to defend their prissiness and entitlement. How unexciting and predictable.

[GenJoe]

The tank is not the slave of the group? But the way you phrase it, it seems to me that you are suggesting that the group is the slave of the tank... Why should three people have to follow what one person wants? Pretty sure the one person should follow the three.

You guys are all missing the point here..
Nobody HAS TO FOLLOW ANYBODY. If you don't like it and you're in the majority, KICK the oddball.
If you're in the minority, don't cry when you get kicked, OR leave before it comes to that.

It's just the state of things that healers and tanks have an advantage in this regard because they can requeue much quicker than dps, but is anyone seriously going to argue about the ethics of that?


P.S. Have you noticed lately that Healers are the ones that actually get instaqueued? Not the tanks? Just some food for thought if you thought you had no leverage against a dicky tank, he has to wait in DF too, albeit only a few minutes.

[MirielleLavandre]

This is why I hate duty finder and never use it (except for WoD weekly since you have to unless full alliance) - entitled EVERY JOB. Not just tanks, but healers and even dps. I play all roles @50, but I never touch the DF except to help friends if we can't get a full FC group. There will always be that one person who thinks they are a special snowflake...newsflash -- you're not. Almost everyone I know has a tank job @50, even if it isn't their main - same goes for heals and dps. I remember a princess bard in FFXI who continuously was toxic to the Shiva server -- after about 2-3 weeks of it, we'd see him sitting in Jeuno shouting for an xp party because no one wanted him / eventually he left the server or made a new character. If only this was still the case...yet, there is no accountability for entitled attitudes and probably never will be in FF14.

[PULSeTHIRTeeN]

To every DPS saying we are entitled, demanding, bossy, dictator assholes...Please level a tank, enjoy how shitty a job it is to make sure everything goes right and come back here to tell me we are wrong to dictate the flow.

If not, enjoy those queues.

[Lexarious]

To every DPS saying we are entitled, demanding, bossy, dictator assholes...Please level a tank, enjoy how shitty a job it is to make sure everything goes right and come back here to tell me we are wrong to dictate the flow.

If not, enjoy those queues.

It's not hard

[Intaki]

To every DPS saying we are entitled, demanding, bossy, dictator assholes...Please level a tank, enjoy how shitty a job it is to make sure everything goes right and come back here to tell me we are wrong to dictate the flow.

If not, enjoy those queues.

Healer leveled on this character, tank leveled fully on another.

Tanking is not hard. The first time tanking something ever? Very hard. The fifth time? Mind-numbingly easy.

Tanks may have a high skill floor, but it's a few thousand feet below a damage dealer's skill cap.

[Callinon]

EDIT: That being said I fully understand that groups need a leader, but just because you are the tank does not make you the default leader. If you are in a 4 man party and the other 3 people don't want you to be leader, then you are not the leader even if you are the tank.

Actually it does, because that's what "default" means.

Absolutely if the tank is new or if someone else is in a better position to lead a group (maybe they know the dungeon better, maybe they can explain things better, who knows) then sure they should lead the group. But in any random DF group, the tank is the default leader, and 999/1000 groups will just expect the tank to know how the dungeon works. Tanks know this and so they have to go in with the mindset that they're in charge because it's going to be expected that they be in charge.

That all being said, sometimes the tank is new. Sometimes the tank isn't super familiar with a dungeon. Generally when this happens, the tank will say so and someone will usually speak up and help explain things.

In the OP's example though, the dps just barked out a demand right off the bat like it was macroed or something. This is not the same as trying to lead a group. This is trying to commandeer a group. And it's trying to do so without first knowing anything about how that group was going to perform in the first place. Now I'd imagine that if instead the line had been "I need exp, could we please pull the universe?" that would've been fine. It's impossible to know for sure because it didn't happen that way.

I've been playing MMOs since they were text-based and called MUDs (nearly 20 years). I've played every role. And I feel confident in saying that the tank is EXPECTED to lead the group. Especially a random group.

[Jynx]

To every DPS saying we are entitled, demanding, bossy, dictator assholes...Please level a tank.

Allready did long before you did probably. No issues here, never had problems with dictator assholes because I left if I ever met them.