Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Hyrist]

Of course they are. The tank controls the pace of the dungeon. I will (and have) let someone die if they pull extra mobs. Oh look, I forgot how to flash or provoke. If they don't like the pace I'm setting, level up a tank and run the dungeon yourself.

All that does is produce a cycle of Bigotry.

For example: as a healer if I see a tank be overly forceful on their desire for the pace, I can 'forget' to heal him. After all, it's a lowbie dungeon and really tanks are there to learn how to tank, or for the roulette. I can keep up a DPS up or even just force through myself as healer on every dungeon up through Brayflox without difficulty.

A tank's job is not to control the pacing of the dungeon - that's determined by the group, and how comfortable everyone is with pulls. A tank's job is to keep the monsters trained on him, and as soon as he thinks that's optional based on personal desires, everyone else's obligations go out the window too. Talk it out, or part ways amicably.

Team > Any role in the party. The instant you think you're more important or control more than what the team desires, do everyone else a favor and see yourself out.

[Spawnie]

couldnt agree with what you said more hyrist :3 you hit the nail on the head perfectly well said :3

[Magistrella]

The instant you think you're more important or control more than what the team desires, do everyone else a favor and see yourself out.

Try a boss without a tank or heal - you wont have a problem if there are no mechanics preventing you from only going on with one DPS. And im not talking about 15-30 stuff, because anyone can basically tank anything up to haukke easily as long as you got a heal thats on his toes (or even a arc/blm spamming physick)

And about the see yourself out Part: Remove the 30 min and ill gladly leave when someone pisses me off, BUT as long as i get a 30 min penalty for being forced to play any other way then i situationally decide to when i join as tank - which means: pacing lies in my role, you want it slower even tho quicker is in the groups capabilities (or faster and you pull stuff yourself even tho the group is not up for it),go die in a corner or play a tank yourself - you'll have to kick me if you don't like my judgment of group capability and pacing.

And know what, i won't even mind, because i wont have to deal with it anymore and can move on to other stuff (no im not one of that spiteful idiots that rejoin via progress when being kicked, the wait time is your problem, i wont make it worse)

and meh, wasting my time typing stuff that doesnt matter anyways - back to zodiac grind *sigh*

[Dorander]

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As everyone (read tank players) has said, I most definitely will see myself out, or let you kick me. I'll get back in a dungeon in no time flat (see tank queue times). Feel free to continue thinking that it's not the tanks job to control the pace, and you'll find that dungeon runs will become more and more frustrating until you finally quit the game. So really, get with the program or switch to a tank class and do it your own way. Those are really your only options: 1: Quit, 2: Let the tank drive, or 3: play as a tank.

[Spawnie]

yup reading through all the comments its clear as day majority of tanks are the 1s with entitlement issues.. just some of thier attitudes are LOL good to see not all tanks are like that tho :3

[Magistrella]

yup reading through all the comments its clear as day majority of tanks are the 1s with entitlement issues.. just some of thier attitudes are LOL good to see not all tanks are like that tho :3

Yes we are entitled to pace however we see fit. Because when we keep aggro of everything and the heal cant keep up it is US who will be lying in the dirt face first. Not your chubby dps ass that thought they could kill faster but actually couldnt. And not that healer ass either because they thought they can heal through an additional group of mobs. YOU dont see our cooldowns, YOU dont know how much mobs you can take with the gear you're wearing and the resources (MP/TP) you have left.

Just because some tanks feel its their inclined right to pace how they see fit for the actual group they're in, it doesnt make them entitled - if you say so you basically just call them utter idiots with no capability of group judgement and experience. If you feel on the other hand entitled to pull more mobs then the tank already did and he's comfortable with - as i said in a previous post - go die in a corner or play tank yourself.

Still no Zodiac drop yet btw q.q someone sacrifice rngesus some lalafell virgins please q.q

[Delsus]

Yes we are entitled to pace however we see fit. Because when we keep aggro of everything and the heal cant keep up it is US who will be lying in the dirt face first. Not your chubby dps ass that thought they could kill faster but actually couldnt. And not that healer ass either because they thought they can heal through an additional group of mobs. YOU dont see our cooldowns, YOU dont know how much mobs you can take with the gear you're wearing and the resources (MP/TP) you have left.

With that attitude I can see you being the person that pulls too much and blames the healer and dps, It's this attitude that makes the FFXIV community so toxic, I can see it now you pull too many and die "why didn't I get any heals" "duh because I ran out of MP, you need smaller pulls" "stop sucking then I always pull this I'm tank it's up to me"

And before long it's an Edda moment all over again.

[Magistrella]

With that attitude I can see you being the person that pulls too much and blames the healer and dps, It's this attitude that makes the FFXIV community so toxic, I can see it now you pull too many and die "why didn't I get any heals" "duh because I ran out of MP, you need smaller pulls" "stop sucking then I always pull this I'm tank it's up to me"

And before long it's an Edda moment all over again.

Wrong, im one of those tanks that actually looks at the equipment of all party members before rushing in a dungeon. But im also one of those tanks that will let you eat dirt if you decide to make me go out of my way and undermine my judgement and think you can do it better.

Good job assuming tho, did that really well ^.^b

[Delsus]

Wrong, im one of those tanks that actually looks at the equipment of all party members before rushing in a dungeon. But im also one of those tanks that will let you eat dirt if you decide to make me go out of my way and undermine my judgement and think you can do it better.

Good job assuming tho, did that really well ^.^b

So you go by gear rather than player skill, here's something for you I have SCH level 50, and I haven't touched it, now I could greed on all WoD healer gear, and get the Soldiary weapon, maybe even upgrade it from ST, now here's me as a SCH not touched since I got it to 50 it high iLvl gear and decided to start playing it, what would you do then? All I see is an "I know better than you" just because a. you are a tank and b. you have looked at my gear and you assume I am a capable healer, so you start pulling large pulls, what would happen when you were dying?

[Hyrist]

Wrong, im one of those tanks that actually looks at the equipment of all party members before rushing in a dungeon. But im also one of those tanks that will let you eat dirt if you decide to make me go out of my way and undermine my judgement and think you can do it better.

Good job assuming tho, did that really well ^.^b

There's no point in being defensive on the forums on either one of these points.

Better than just checking, and judging, especially in a lowbie dungeon, it can be resolved with just simple polite conversation.

"Hi, I'm here for EXP, can we please full clear this is my highest dungeon."

Then, if the tank, or another member isn't able/inclined to, a polite response can be.

"Sorry, I'm trying to get this roulette in before my Static Raids."


The situation advantage here is not the Tanks. The tank is trying to rush, and only knows one DPS. The DPS can simply stop cold on the PLD and pull with the healer at their own pace. Suddenly one Tank and one DPS are without the heals they need to complete the run. If this was just an ornery DPS ticking off the party it would be a matter of an outlier misbehaving. It was not. This was a split decision by the party and communication failed.

As everyone (read tank players) has said, I most definitely will see myself out, or let you kick me. I'll get back in a dungeon in no time flat (see tank queue times). Feel free to continue thinking that it's not the tanks job to control the pace, and you'll find that dungeon runs will become more and more frustrating until you finally quit the game. So really, get with the program or switch to a tank class and do it your own way. Those are really your only options: 1: Quit, 2: Let the tank drive, or 3: play as a tank.

You are the embodiment of an entitled tank and should feel ashamed of yourself. At that point, I'd have no qualms in making you leave yourself and eat the half hour penalty. You can try to tackle the boss with no heals while the DPS and I clear the scrap monsters. Your kind of attitude needs to be heavily discouraged.

Statements like yours further the stigma against tanks throughout this game.