Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Laesha]

Absolutely agree w/ the OP.

When i que as a dps, I hang back and shut up and maximize my dps. I'd much rather get some than none. Even if the tank takes the most direct path through a dungeon, that's better than having the whole run turn out like crap or worse, the 30 minute que being a wash because the tank just leaves. I can ask for extra, but if the answer is no, the answer is no. I fully defer to the tank on what mobs will be pulled, and when i que as tank i expect the same level of deference. This is totally consistent across jobs (which seems to be the OP's case as well) which means any claims of hypocrisy are bunk.

The problem w/ this "dps can decide" nonsense is that if something doesn't agree with the tank, it's the dps players who are going to have a hard time, not the tank. If you kick the tank, they're most likely coming right back through and in-progress que. If you get kicked as dps, you are once again waiting a long long time to get back into a dungeon (most likely). If you pull extra mobs, the tank can easily let you die and keep moving on. You're easily replaceable. etc etc. etc. That's just the reality of our current class/player-base dynamic.

[SummerSkye]

The problem w/ this "dps can decide" nonsense is that if something doesn't agree with the tank, it's the dps players who are going to have a hard time, not the tank. If you kick the tank, they're most likely coming right back through and in-progress que. If you get kicked as dps, you are once again waiting a long long time to get back into a dungeon (most likely). If you pull extra mobs, the tank can easily let you die and keep moving on.

See, this is why tanks just take off and start pulling shit without asking the group what they want to do. Regardless of how long queue times are, once you are in that dungeon, you are a TEAM. The fact that you can leave and get an instant queue does not make you any more important than the healer or the DPS that are there with you. No one is saying the "DPS" should decide shit...the GROUP should decide.

[Laesha]

See, this is why tanks just take off and start pulling shit without asking the group what they want to do.

Yes, it is. And until the duty finder becomes flooded with tanks and dps are scarce, you just have to deal with it. I deal with it, so you can too.

[SummerSkye]

Yes, it is. And until the duty finder becomes flooded with tanks and dps are scarce, you just have to deal with it. I deal with it, so you can too.

So let me get this straight (because I queue as all three roles). When you queue up as a tank, and get into a duty finder group...you honestly don't give two shits about the other three people there with you? You just take off and do what you want to do in that dungeon regardless of whatever reason the other three may have for being there?

[Laesha]

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First, don't try and bait me with a loaded question. Your suggestion is enthymemic and sensationalized.

Nothing about what i said suggests that when i tank i don't take a careful look at: party composition, gear levels, each member's level in relation to the dungeon, the potential that someone is still relatively new (if not first run, then perhaps second or third [i can sometimes glean this based on pink/green dungeon equipment]), or any number of other factors when i decide how to proceed through the dungeon. 9/10 my decision represents a happy medium where everyone is mostly satisfied and i'm walking out w/ 2-3 coms (closing in on about 2500 now). I do my absolute best to ensure that the run is smooth and mutual goals are accomplished at a reasonable pace (reasonable depending entirely on the factors i previously mentioned :P).

What i won't do is sacrifice my interests, no, not even for 3 other group members. When compromise happens to deliver some of what everyone wants, everyone gets to be dissatisfied to the same degree. If they want to kick me and wait for another tank they are more than welcome to but i won't be putting up with any crap.

as i said, when i dps, i defer to the tank's decision making skills (even if they are lacking or only pursuing their own interests), and when i tank I expect the same level of deference.