Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Asierid]

It is in the nature of tanking that tanks get the final say in deciding the pace of the party. There is no entitlement in that but just what that role entails.

Setting the pace is completely different from deciding party actions. The role entails the speed of the pulls and ability to hold mobs, nothing more.

The word pace means to do something at a steady speed. You can certainly pull at a steady speed, but that has nothing to do with deciding to pull the side room because you're the boss and want mushrooms on your pizza when everyone else hates them. The "pace" can still be the same, side room or not.

[Discordia]

TL;DR
Whine moan bitch whine moan bitch

Now, I can only imagine what it would be like in the real world. Hopefully it would've been resolved differently since this is only a game and no one really gives a shit about each other anymore.

[LTEvil]

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You are amazing. And I agree with OP.
Seems everyone wants the authority of a tank but none of the responsibility.

Also..some of the responses. OP did not attack anyone. Simply told a story and how she was affected. Just wanted thoughts on how people viewed it. No need to get aggressive.

[Argus_Heiral]

Healer and DPS are the b***** of the Tank, this is RPG 101

[Korbash]

The norm, is to clear the dungeon asap, time is money. Dungeons, especially below 49 take longer than they should AND theres a timer, yeah you get plenty of time, but you never know. For DPS, a combination of FATES and Levequests is the fastest method of leveling. The earliest 50 nin's often did so without ever stepping into a dungeon.

if someone would like extra exp, just ask. Theres an extremely high probability the tank will meet your request.

Personally I prefer doing dungeons instead of FATES and Levequests to level up my jobs (DPS and healer), it may not be the fastest way but it's THE only way to learn how to play your job the right way in a group setting, which you never learn doing FATES and Levequests. So I don't see why as a DPS who wants to learn to play my jobs the right way in dungeons I should get punished with tanks who want to clear the dungeon asap and avoid most mobs and get us least XP possible.

[BreathlessTao]

...so, a BRD does not have to sing, unless explicitly asked to, because that's not their job. (As per from another thread.) But a tank is entitled to decide how whole dungeons are run, if no fast consensus (and/or lack of politeness), because that is their job.

Oh, the things one can learn from the forums here...

/facepalm

[Skivvy]

You could have taken the high road here, but instead this was your reaction:

Being the rebel I am, and the fact that my friend just needed the dungeon done asap (and I'm the tank, so obviously the game is designed for me to lead the pace of the dungeon), and the fact that he demanded I bow to his whims rather than ask me to, I pulled the first room into the crystal buff.

Congrats on being a jerk. Perhaps the person doesn't play on a PC and has a difficult time typing out flowery requests to the tank? Why not try giving people the benefit of the doubt before turning into the bad rebel that you are?

[BubblyBoar]

When I tank, I really don't count my own vote. Because I play all three roles, I know exactly what queues are like for all three. Here is this poor DPS, wanting to do an exp run and having to wait 30+ minutes for a tank (maybe 15+ with a haler with him). Meanwhile this tank gets insta queues and easy living for everything except ST and WoD. So when he finally gets into a dungeon and ready for the EXP, he demands (he should have asked. WE ALL GET THAT PART) an exp run. Why? Cause 1 dungeon for him is an hour+ (queue plus the run) while for the tank, it's only the length of the run. But nope. This tank had to "teach this DPS" a lesson and say no. Even though the tank has easy queues and competence is extremely important to the speed of the run, the tank was just like nope! AND OF ALL places, in DD. The effort to grab extra mobs in DD is literally next to 0. I can only assume the extra confrontation simply budded from the first one, which wouldn't have happened if the tank didn't feel the need to "rebel" and correct some one's attitude. It's like the OP doesn't know anything about conflict resolution other than punching back. Good job bullying your party and being entitled.

And what the hell is this nonsense about SE giving your opinion more weight than any others in the event of a tie. Where was that under the description of a tanking role. Please sure me. If anything, you get less of a vote because dungeons take literally no effort for you to get in to. Yes, I've tanked and I tank often. If people want an exp run and I don't, even if it's a tie, I do the exp run. Why? because I didn't have to sit at my keyboard, twiddling my thumbs for 30+ minutes waiting for me to appear. The few mintues it takes to grab a few more mobs is literally nothing compared to how long they had to wait. And attacking a rude attitude with more rude attitude is just going to lead to them being salty the whole run and bitching at everything you say, even if it's helpful.


TL;DR: you are both in the wrong and are both entitled pricks.

[Ashkendor]

When I queue as tank, I don't have a problem with doing full clears for exp if we have people that are unsynced. I definitely have a problem with people that are confrontational from the get-go, though. Faced with an immediate demand to not skip anything, I probably would have told them that I wasn't pulling anything extra if they were going to be so rude about it. If they pulled mobs on their own, I'd have let them tank what they pulled. If the healer let me die as a result, I would have simply left and stuck them waiting for a tank to queue in progress. Good luck with that in DD. As for me, I've got better things to do with half an hour than have an awful time in a dungeon with a DPS that facepulls and a healer that won't do their job if I don't go along with their extremely rude behavior.

People seem to just conveniently forget that there are human beings behind those characters they meet in the DF. We're not robots. We're not NPC's. We're actual living breathing people that most likely aren't going to respond well to being treated like crap. If you want to go into a dungeon and do a full clear, for the love of all that's holy ask nicely. Most tanks aren't going to have a problem with it unless they're in some sort of a time crunch. This is part of the reason tanks are so scarce. Queueing as tank is fun with a good group, but it can be absolute misery with a bad group. Honestly, this is the reason I almost always queue in a premade with one or two friends when I go as tank. If someone acts like an asshole, we can just laugh and boot them to the back of the solo DPS queue.

[Elim]

I can see why you reacted badly to a demand. If someone can type out "no skipping anything" they could easily type "please don't skip". It doesn't have to be a flowery request, just decent. Remember the tank is a human being too - many times people seem to forget that.

Of course, I'm not saying I condone the reaction, only that I understand it.