Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Skivvy]

You could have taken the high road here, but instead this was your reaction:

Being the rebel I am, and the fact that my friend just needed the dungeon done asap (and I'm the tank, so obviously the game is designed for me to lead the pace of the dungeon), and the fact that he demanded I bow to his whims rather than ask me to, I pulled the first room into the crystal buff.

Congrats on being a jerk. Perhaps the person doesn't play on a PC and has a difficult time typing out flowery requests to the tank? Why not try giving people the benefit of the doubt before turning into the bad rebel that you are?

[Mattiej]

You could have taken the high road here, but instead this was your reaction:



Congrats on being a jerk. Perhaps the person doesn't play on a PC and has a difficult time typing out flowery requests to the tank? Why not try giving people the benefit of the doubt before turning into the bad rebel that you are?

Have all my likes!! Exactly this. Because someone said something to you which you deemed offensive you proceeded to be a jerk. I don't even even think what the DPS said was bad. Like others have stated he could have been on PS3/4. Or perhaps he was trying to get it in before the tank ran off like a bull at a gate. Now because one person hurt your feelings you decided to hold the other members hostage with your bad attitude. You didn't even warn the healer you would be doing such a large pull. You probably didn't even stop to think that the healer might not have been confident DPSing and keeping you alive at the same time.
It's easy to see your the entitled one exhibit every response you have been giving to people who don't agree with you.

[Ashkendor]

You could have taken the high road here, but instead this was your reaction:

Congrats on being a jerk. Perhaps the person doesn't play on a PC and has a difficult time typing out flowery requests to the tank? Why not try giving people the benefit of the doubt before turning into the bad rebel that you are?

If they can type out "no skipping anything," they can type out something nicer but similarly short and sweet.

"Can we do a full clear?"
"Can we kill all mobs?"
"Kill all for xp?"
"Kill all mobs please?"
"Full clear please?"

Those all convey the same idea, but in a more respectful way. It's a matter of treating the other person like... well, a person. Asking nicely is more likely to get you a positive response than treating someone like they're there to serve you.

[Skivvy]

If they can type out "no skipping anything," they can type out something nicer but similarly short and sweet.

"Can we do a full clear?"
"Can we kill all mobs?"
"Kill all for xp?"
"Kill all mobs please?"
"Full clear please?"

Those all convey the same idea, but in a more respectful way. It's a matter of treating the other person like... well, a person. Asking nicely is more likely to get you a positive response than treating someone like they're there to serve you.

I tried to reply last night, but I was actually out of forum posts! (lol, that hasn't happened since I was brand new!) D:

I do completely agree with you on this point. You will always catch more flies with honey, but even still, we don't know the true tone of how he was saying it (or if that is truly how it happened at all).

None of us are perfect, and we all have our off-days where we just take things wrong and and react poorly. I guess the difference with me is that had I acted like the OP, I would have been horribly embarrassed by my behavior, and there is absolutely no way I would have come onto the forums to complain about it. But instead they come on here trying to garner support for their bad behavior, and are still taking no responsibility in how it turned out.

Someone else's bad attitude does not excuse your own.

[BubblyBoar]

When I tank, I really don't count my own vote. Because I play all three roles, I know exactly what queues are like for all three. Here is this poor DPS, wanting to do an exp run and having to wait 30+ minutes for a tank (maybe 15+ with a haler with him). Meanwhile this tank gets insta queues and easy living for everything except ST and WoD. So when he finally gets into a dungeon and ready for the EXP, he demands (he should have asked. WE ALL GET THAT PART) an exp run. Why? Cause 1 dungeon for him is an hour+ (queue plus the run) while for the tank, it's only the length of the run. But nope. This tank had to "teach this DPS" a lesson and say no. Even though the tank has easy queues and competence is extremely important to the speed of the run, the tank was just like nope! AND OF ALL places, in DD. The effort to grab extra mobs in DD is literally next to 0. I can only assume the extra confrontation simply budded from the first one, which wouldn't have happened if the tank didn't feel the need to "rebel" and correct some one's attitude. It's like the OP doesn't know anything about conflict resolution other than punching back. Good job bullying your party and being entitled.

And what the hell is this nonsense about SE giving your opinion more weight than any others in the event of a tie. Where was that under the description of a tanking role. Please sure me. If anything, you get less of a vote because dungeons take literally no effort for you to get in to. Yes, I've tanked and I tank often. If people want an exp run and I don't, even if it's a tie, I do the exp run. Why? because I didn't have to sit at my keyboard, twiddling my thumbs for 30+ minutes waiting for me to appear. The few mintues it takes to grab a few more mobs is literally nothing compared to how long they had to wait. And attacking a rude attitude with more rude attitude is just going to lead to them being salty the whole run and bitching at everything you say, even if it's helpful.


TL;DR: you are both in the wrong and are both entitled pricks.

[Ashkendor]

When I queue as tank, I don't have a problem with doing full clears for exp if we have people that are unsynced. I definitely have a problem with people that are confrontational from the get-go, though. Faced with an immediate demand to not skip anything, I probably would have told them that I wasn't pulling anything extra if they were going to be so rude about it. If they pulled mobs on their own, I'd have let them tank what they pulled. If the healer let me die as a result, I would have simply left and stuck them waiting for a tank to queue in progress. Good luck with that in DD. As for me, I've got better things to do with half an hour than have an awful time in a dungeon with a DPS that facepulls and a healer that won't do their job if I don't go along with their extremely rude behavior.

People seem to just conveniently forget that there are human beings behind those characters they meet in the DF. We're not robots. We're not NPC's. We're actual living breathing people that most likely aren't going to respond well to being treated like crap. If you want to go into a dungeon and do a full clear, for the love of all that's holy ask nicely. Most tanks aren't going to have a problem with it unless they're in some sort of a time crunch. This is part of the reason tanks are so scarce. Queueing as tank is fun with a good group, but it can be absolute misery with a bad group. Honestly, this is the reason I almost always queue in a premade with one or two friends when I go as tank. If someone acts like an asshole, we can just laugh and boot them to the back of the solo DPS queue.

[Elim]

I can see why you reacted badly to a demand. If someone can type out "no skipping anything" they could easily type "please don't skip". It doesn't have to be a flowery request, just decent. Remember the tank is a human being too - many times people seem to forget that.

Of course, I'm not saying I condone the reaction, only that I understand it.

[Hiruke]

Thread seems to be more about entitled tanks than about entitled dps. When I tank dungeons, I typically pull more mobs if dps need xp or something, bc I know as a dps it's taking way longer to get into dungeons than it does for tanks, but hey, I'm the tank so screw those guys and their xp, I'm just here to get in and get out. Ain't got no time to play no game.

I would be more upset about people not AoEing than about them wanting xp. Seriously.

Anyway, in this particular situation, sounds like everyone was a jerk.

[XgungraveX]

im the tank u go where i go really don't care what randoms i get in pugs think.

[AskaRay]

im the tank u go where i go really don't care what randoms i get in pugs think.

You sound like a blast at parties