Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[JohnTitor]

Looking for a maybe optimized rotation:
this is my current one : http://www.ffxivrotations.com/rs9
with ilvl309 im not able to hit more than 3.6k right now , with pushing mana maybe 3.7k
any ideas why ?
current stats are : 1390 Crit / 823 DET / 1250 Direct Hit / 1207 SS /

would also be possible to save Lucid Dreaming for Bahamut Phase and spam Ruin 3 instead of 1

ppl seem to burst 6k with a opener , how ?

[Dyvid]

Just a few notes I wanted to add. First, don't get stuck on the old Garuda Meta. Sure the Magic debuff is nice for SMN and BLM, but don't forget that while Radiant Shield looks small it last about 24s and is help out your melee players. Second is to remember Demi-Bahamuts Wyrmwave is a 1.5s recast so avoid buttons spamming and give sec before hitting the next action.

[Neela]

Just a few notes I wanted to add. First, don't get stuck on the old Garuda Meta. Sure the Magic debuff is nice for SMN and BLM, but don't forget that while Radiant Shield looks small it last about 24s and is help out your melee players.

it depends on grp constellations... while rudas con effect healers dmg as well - so it buffs at least both healer and yourself (+ a given blm/rdm which makes up for 4 buffed people) – radiant shield need physical dmg taken so while its perfect for main tank utility - other melees shouldn't take physical dmg that much... dunno if radiant outdamages con in a long run - interesting to see hmm...

[ShaolinMike]

it depends on grp constellations... while rudas con effect healers dmg as well - so it buffs at least both healer and yourself (+ a given blm/rdm which makes up for 4 buffed people) – radiant shield need physical dmg taken so while its perfect for main tank utility - other melees shouldn't take physical dmg that much... dunno if radiant outdamages con in a long run - interesting to see hmm...

Astrologian on the brain?

[Dyvid]

it depends on grp constellations... while rudas con effect healers dmg as well - so it buffs at least both healer and yourself (+ a given blm/rdm which makes up for 4 buffed people) – radiant shield need physical dmg taken so while its perfect for main tank utility - other melees shouldn't take physical dmg that much... dunno if radiant outdamages con in a long run - interesting to see hmm...

Yea, forget about RDM casters. Healers well that's touch and go depending on if they are actually dps'ing. As for RS, main tanks are always taking a hit so you should always have about 24s of physical resistance debuff on the mob. This works for all physical dps classes, not just the tanks either. I would like more testing but since the daily roulettes are taking about and hour queue I've been doing other things ><

If anyone has a premade and wants to test the difference it would be interesting to hear the result. I suspect though that if the party is 2 caster and 2 melee the damage buff would just balance out with either pet.

[TomShane]

Lil bit different from what most have been doing, would like to hear opinions
https://youtu.be/yt74GBZFvKU

[Koyuki38]

@Fyce

I see that you start with Ifrit, then switch it to Garuda, keeping it for 2 contagions.

Why do you take back Ifrit then ?

[Talec]

Looking for a maybe optimized rotation:
this is my current one : http://www.ffxivrotations.com/rs9
with ilvl309 im not able to hit more than 3.6k right now , with pushing mana maybe 3.7k
any ideas why ?
current stats are : 1390 Crit / 823 DET / 1250 Direct Hit / 1207 SS /

would also be possible to save Lucid Dreaming for Bahamut Phase and spam Ruin 3 instead of 1

ppl seem to burst 6k with a opener , how ?

Isn't Painflare a DPS loss on a single Bossmonster while you could use more Fester?

[Koyuki38]

Pain Flare is a loss vs Fester, but sometime you want to enter fast in the DWT.

By using 2 Fester and 1 Pain Flare, you enter the DWT faster, so you do not miss the Ninja's trick attack, or the Battle Litany from the Dragoon. Also, the opener is shorter (3 Festers require 10s, 2 Fester and 1 Pain Flare require 5s), so you might lose 100 potency, but for a shorter period of time. Dps is not that much reduced. And since it's the opener, we have 3 Aethers waiting us when we end the DWT.

Edit : In fact, using 2 Fester and 1 Pain Flare seems better to me.

3 Festers : We launch them in 10 sec : 900 potency over 10 sec : 90 P/s
2 Festers + 1 Pain Flare : 800 Potency over 5 sec : 160 P/s
1 Faster + 1 Pain Flare + 1 : 650 Potency over about 2,5s to 3s : 500 P/s (this one seems a bit odd to me. Maybe it's not as efficient on the field).

So basically, as long as your 3 1st Aethers are free, it's in theory better to no open with 3 Festers.
This is only true when you have 3 Aether right after you end your DWT. This does not apply if you delay your Fester to get this situation . (IE : only apply during opener, or other rare situation)

Looking for a maybe optimized rotation:
this is my current one : http://www.ffxivrotations.com/rs9
with ilvl309 im not able to hit more than 3.6k right now , with pushing mana maybe 3.7k
any ideas why ?
current stats are : 1390 Crit / 823 DET / 1250 Direct Hit / 1207 SS /

would also be possible to save Lucid Dreaming for Bahamut Phase and spam Ruin 3 instead of 1

ppl seem to burst 6k with a opener , how ?

here are my thought

I think Virus does not proc bahamut's attack
You don't need the Lucid Dream right when you start the fight. Use it when you need mana or when you are close to take aggro on the mob.
You might want to use more Ruine 3 instead of Ruin 1. During the Bahamut phase, you maybe should use Ruine 3. at that time of the fight you still have Mana
You can try to wait Aether flow before summoning bahamut so you can proc some Bahamut's attack with Fester. (Need further investigagion, because if Chaining R1, R2 and Fester lead to only 2 attacks, this seems pointless)
I don't think you need to hard cast dots on that time. You cast Tri-disaster 12,5 sec before. There is still almost 17,5 Sec of them, and you should do at least one moire Ruin spell because there is still the Tri-disaster buff available for 1 gcd.
Try to see if you can delay your first contagion. AS you wrote your rotation, it does not apply on the 1st Tri-disaster, but it does not last for the Death Flare neither. Try to it in same time of the DWT. Then you cast Tri-disaster and Death Flare about 15s later. In that way Contagion works fully on your DWT.

[Len]

I've been playing SMN more after leveling a second job to max and I have some questions for some of the better Summoners out there.

- It's worth it to delay Summon Bahamut until you have Aetherflow stacks to burn while he's summoned, right?

- How high on our priority list is using up Further Ruin procs, particularly when Bahamut it summoned?

- If there are majority physical DPS in your party, is Ifrit's Radiant Shield substantial enough to be used over Garuda?

- Is dot-clipping at 2-3 seconds still bad?
( This is something I figured out myself. Yes, it's still a potency loss. )