Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[KroLeXz]

I was looking at your FFLogs if you follow the timeline on Bio I, it doesn't seem to be the case in there either. Are you sure?

Granted I can't see your rotation in there, I'm assuming your front loading everything in the beginning right? Well the dmg on the dots drop off when he becomes big - maybe I'm reading that wrong. So either FFlogs is wrong and you should be higher or it's as I explained previously.

[ShinryuReishiki]

I was looking at your FFLogs if you follow the timeline on Bio I, it doesn't seem to be the case in there either. Are you sure?

Granted I can't see your rotation in there, I'm assuming your front loading everything in the beginning right? Well the dmg on the dots drop off when he becomes big - maybe I'm reading that wrong. So either FFlogs is wrong and you should be higher or it's as I explained previously.

I think you're reading it wrong. Using the Events page, you can see rather plainly that Bio is ticking for the same amount for the first 33s (Contagioned), then drops when reapplied.

[Thorhall]

There is something that bothers me about the summoner and which I couldnt found in any reddit discussion or the lodestone forum. So I will post it here and am curious about your thoughts. The idea is to use piety materia (instead of our secondary stats) to gain more MP+MP Reg and therefore substitue Ruin I with Ruin III.

The calculations i did bring the following: 1 Piety equals ~ 6MP. In addition we gain 2% MP every 3 seconds which makes 0.12 MP and additional 20% every minute through aetherflow (Energy Drain is sadly not effected) which gives a total of 0.18 MP per Tick per Piety
I will go with a 7 minutes fight as example. This fight will have 140 Ticks and 1 Piety will regen about ~25MP. To exchange R3 with R1 we need additional 884 MP or to express in piety ~36 Piety. This exchange will bring us a benefit from 120 Potency or 3.33 Potency per Piety (or better 0.007 Potency per second per Piety)...

[Thorhall]

...(of course you can discuss the duration but i try to normalize it per second so it wouldnt be a problem as long as the fight is long enough to produce at least one substitute of R1)
Every 148 Piety we gain enough MP to substitue another R1 to R3 bringing 0.81 Potency per Piety but will have a decreasing value of Potency per second. For the 7 min example it will be something of 0.002 making piety overall to 0.009 PpS

My Problem is now to normalize this value and make it comparable to Crit/Det/SS. Maybe you can help me out.

P.S. I also don´t know if the Reg from astro, bard or machinist is flat or a percentage of our value. This might further contribute. And of course there is a hardcap when every R1 was turned into R3. This might happen espacially with reg from other classes.

[MariaNyan]

Thought of sharing my dummy SSS-A8S run on my i220 SMN, you might learn one or two things there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aXL...ature=youtu.be

My opener looks like this, if you don't use pot you want to put rouse and spur into the pot-slot. I highly believe that this rotation is the right way to go. Since SMN is my offclass its stuck @ i220, but i can offer some fflog parses in pugs for some other numbers. http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/9#cla...&spec=Summoner

[Judge_Xero]

My Problem is now to normalize this value and make it comparable to Crit/Det/SS. Maybe you can help me out.

I think it would be too hard to give an X value to it. If you are exchanging Pie for secondaries you are lowering your total damage % while increasing your PPS. Then you have to look at a specific fight to see if you could even take advantage of the additional MP, since as long as you have spare MP you can cast R3 anyway outside of Dreadwyrm.

I'll see if I can look into a best case scenario to see if it even be close to a gain.

[Judge_Xero]

@Thorhall

Quick napkin math - @ about 245 Piety would give you 1 R3 per minute + 2 additional casts of R3. Over 7 minutes that is 2.5 PPS. Giving you about a 2% increase in damage.

The equivalent secondaries would give about a 3.5-4% increase.

Consensus - not good.

[Aiurily]

Thought of sharing my dummy SSS-A8S run on my i220 SMN, you might learn one or two things there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aXL...ature=youtu.be

My opener looks like this, if you don't use pot you want to put rouse and spur into the pot-slot. I highly believe that this rotation is the right way to go. Since SMN is my offclass its stuck @ i220, but i can offer some fflog parses in pugs for some other numbers. http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/9#cla...&spec=Summoner

you're doing 5 ruin33->ruin2 fester deathflare, not 6 ruin3->ruin2 fester deathflare. deathflare wasn't RS buffed either

[Takaokami]

My opener looks like this

Found an error in your opener, fixed it for you. Np.

[Kuponutz]

I think you forgot a few Contagions, at least 4 by my count