Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Havenchild]

i haven't really seen it mentioned in this thread yet but: how yall feel about using a contagioned miasma ii to weave stuff in dw trance instead of a ruin ii?

i never see it talked about, is it taboo or a given?

You can certainly do it, however, using Miasma II in DWT is a DPS loss versus using it outside of DWT first. You would be doing this out of a convenience but not helping giving you an optimal performance.

EX. Ruin II -> DWT > Fester > Miasma 2 > Tri-D > Ruin 3 spam > Ruin 2 > Fester > Deathflare.
You have replaced a Ruin III (120 potency) for Miasma II (120+ potency). Miasma II + Contagion vs a Ruin III is a DPS gain under DWT, however...

EX. Miasma II -> DWT > Fester > Ruin III > Tri-D > Ruin 3 spam > Ruin 2 > Fester > Deathflare.
At most you have shifted the GCD very slightly but you are still doing the same skills within the same time. However doing it this way, Miasma II +Contagion (120+ potency) is now replacing a Ruin II (80 potency) thus leading to a higher gain overall.

[Ezikiel]

great guide i didn't see any mention that fester got changed now hits more than 3 mobs

[Sleigh]

You can certainly do it, however, using Miasma II in DWT is a DPS loss versus using it outside of DWT first. You would be doing this out of a convenience but not helping giving you an optimal performance.

EX. Ruin II -> DWT > Fester > Miasma 2 > Tri-D > Ruin 3 spam > Ruin 2 > Fester > Deathflare.
You have replaced a Ruin III (120 potency) for Miasma II (120+ potency). Miasma II + Contagion vs a Ruin III is a DPS gain under DWT, however...

EX. Miasma II -> DWT > Fester > Ruin III > Tri-D > Ruin 3 spam > Ruin 2 > Fester > Deathflare.
At most you have shifted the GCD very slightly but you are still doing the same skills within the same time. However doing it this way, Miasma II +Contagion (120+ potency) is now replacing a Ruin II (80 potency) thus leading to a higher gain overall.

That's a good point. That said, in most openers, you have a bunch of crap to put up in the initial DWT and I think it's not good to use it prior to DWT in your first 15s~ since that will be a R2 in DWT anyway.

great guide i didn't see any mention that fester got changed now hits more than 3 mobs

You must mean Bane, Fester is and always has been a single target hit.

[Havenchild]

That's a good point. That said, in most openers, you have a bunch of crap to put up in the initial DWT and I think it's not good to use it prior to DWT in your first 15s~ since that will be a R2 in DWT anyway.

Well in the opener, depending on how you do it, you can still sub out of a Ruin II, before DWT for a Miasma II assuming you use a Ruin II after Raging Strikes but before DWT. Also assuming mechanics permit you to be that close at this time. At that point we wouldn't be talking about substitution of a Ruin III under DWT but rather a direct comparison of Potency from a Ruin II outside that DWT vs a Miasma II + Contagion outside of DWT which is still a net gain to my knowledge as long as your Contagion catches it.

[Darkstride]

great guide i didn't see any mention that fester got changed now hits more than 3 mobs

Because it didn't lol. Bane was changed, however ;-)

[KroLeXz]

from extensive testing, and this might just be my latency - miasma II has a strange animation lock swiftcast ruin 3 for example.

[audi5000]

i personally havent had any problems with doubleweaving while using miasma ii.
what do smns do for handling jagds in a4? ive been spending 2 aetherflow stacks on it - one to fester, and one to bane dots onto the leg while im feeding it. but it throws off raging / dwt timing a bit since i also wanna save damage cooldowns for the leg itself. any advice?

[Israacf]

As a new Summoner, when you guys have to burst kill an add, how do you do it? Do you use your aether stacks?

I'm kind of confused with that because whenever I use a cooldown that's normally used within Dreadwyrm Trance I feel like I mess up a lot.
I'd like a little help on CD management and all that.

[Sleigh]

As a new Summoner, when you guys have to burst kill an add, how do you do it? Do you use your aether stacks?

I'm kind of confused with that because whenever I use a cooldown that's normally used within Dreadwyrm Trance I feel like I mess up a lot.
I'd like a little help on CD management and all that.

For adds as SMN you have to evaluate how long the add can stay alive, and more importantly, how long WILL the add stay alive with your current group? What's the rest of your group going to do? I mean in a coordinated group, if an add spawns that has to die within 20s and a set of DoTs from you will single-handedly kill it, you'd DoT it and milk it for all it's worth and gain a lot of personal and group DPS, but in a PUG, you're best off completely ignoring it because there will probably be half or more of the party blitzing it and you might as well have done a Ruin on the boss instead. But yes, if you have to burst something down with urgency, Fester into Painflare and if you MUST, Energy Drain, with Ruin IIIs. Usually someone messed up if this is the case, or your group is a PUG.

DWT stacks are actually exceedingly easy unless you're very unsure when a boss will go invulnerable/disappear, as long as you know the fight. Core usage is 2 Festers in DWT, final Fester around your Bio reapplication. You adjust to Bane or Painflare or timer needs, usually just taking out one of the DWT Festers but sometimes doing no Festers in DWT, sometimes doing 2 and having one Bane for later as long as you hold up your Aethertrail.

[Israacf]

Tips!

Thank you! But the bigger issue is, for example A4n or A1S where you have to kill your own in a short time, well I think A1S is enough with dots, but for A4 for example, do I sacrifice my stacks and, as you said DWT usually has 2 festers, do I just sacrifice that and go into DWT? I don't know how to explain myself. I'm usually nervous about not having the stacks to fester twice during DWT.