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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
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    You didn't even factor in what the 532 MP is worth in an encounter yet if you will inevitably go OOM and how that 532 MP relates to forcing you to use an Energy Drain to stay afloat over a Fester for pure damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
    No I mean, since the first aetherflow is done in ~20-30 seconds in the opener, depending on your ruin II usage the majority of it is going to regen the mana cost of summoning.

    Otherwise, you may end up not using all the mana from that aetherflow.
    Assuming you are not using AF stacks for anything else / or reason and purely going for Festers, it takes you 30 seconds.

    How many Ruin II's you use is mostly irrelevant in this case. Just because you got MP in the beginning to counter balance the SMN switch, that does not take away from the fact you lost MP to use later on.

    What is the difference If I didn't make the switch? I just have an extra 532 MP to use now towards general casting and DoT upkeep. That's why I say, in a fight you will inevitably hit OOM when maximizing your rotation for DPS (all of FCOB), that 532 MP becomes way more valuable to keeping your DPS up.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 05-29-2015 at 11:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    You didn't even factor in what the 532 MP is worth in an encounter yet if you will inevitably go OOM and how that 532 MP relates to forcing you to use an Energy Drain to stay afloat over a Fester for pure damage.
    Oh, I was using it as "you can use more Ruin II for AA damage" instead of summoning Ifrit after the Garuda Opener. Except I used the Raise MP value instead of the Pet Summoner MP value lol.

    Ruin 79 MP VS Ruin II 106? Haven't even looked in a while. 20 Casts of Ruin II for more AA damage VS Summoning pet.

    What is interesting now with the MP changes of Ruin and Ruin II is that you can get a Fester's worth of damage from Pure AA when spamming Ruin II, which requires 2 Energy Drains worth of MP recovery compared to using Ruin.

    Fester + Energy Drain X 2 + Ruin II (AA) = Fester X 3

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    Maybe that'll be a way we can dump our Aetherflow to get into Trance faster if required.
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 05-30-2015 at 03:35 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
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    Ruin Is 53 MP now at level 50. Incidentally by level 60, I think it's going to wind up to what it was before the MP change anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Takara528 View Post
    The new tri disaster sounds wonderful for pvp/frontlines though! Pesky opponents always try to run out of range before dot them all up... No more energy drain/ ruin 2 spamming to try to get that killing blow in FL!
    Please you think to small. It's all about Co - Meteor + Ahk Morns!@!@! Tri-Disaster in PvP is going to clean up so much of the setup involved with SMN PvP.

    Have multiple SMNs just Ahk Morn an alliance. lol....
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 05-30-2015 at 03:56 AM.

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    Alberel Lindurst
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Please you think to small. It's all about Co - Meteor + Ahk Morns!@!@! Tri-Disaster in PvP is going to clean up so much of the setup involved with SMN PvP.

    Have multiple SMNs just Ahk Morn an alliance. lol....
    I'm looking forward to trying this out. Three or four SMNs: tri-disaster, bane, deathflare... so much pain.
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