Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Judge_Xero]

DET probably wont be a big deal for Book Smacks.

With the Dreadwyrm Grimoir, 77 STR raised my Book smacks by a whopping 8 DPS

30 DET didn't seem to be enough to tip the scales towards a 1 DPS gain, although I think it was close.

That's with 100% uptime too, which isn't typical on fights.

[Sanguisio]

STR is the book smacking stat ^^ we have higher str than BLMs and is why we auto attack and they dont bother.

[Dervy]

Also, if I remember correctly, Casting spells disrupt Auto-Attacks, so they wouldn't get any AA's whilst fire spamming.

[Sanguisio]

I theory it should, but I manage to see auto attack numbers going off inbetween when im casting spells I just have to kinda spam auto attack.

[ShinryuReishiki]

Could you check Ironworks i130 chest vs Demon Robe i120 chest? I never did get the Demon Robe, mostly because I play BLM far far more than SMN, but I'm curious to see how much that DET is worth vs the 5 INT loss in terms of raw damage (ignoring the other benefits of the i130 chest, which are definitely there).

Augmented (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QN6Y)
82 MD 52 PD 663 Int 343 Det
Auto: 79-88
Ruin (80): 301-332
Bio (40): 150-165
Burning Strike (120): 232-257
Ifrit Auto (60): 125-138


Demon (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QN6Z)
82 MD 52 PD 658 Int 374 Det
Auto: 81-90
Ruin (80): 303-334
Bio (40): 151-166
Burning Strike (120): 234-259
Ifrit Auto (60): 128-141


Auto: 85.5 - 83.5 = 2
Ruin: 318.5 - 316.5 = 2
Bio: 158.5 - 157.5 = 1
Burning Strike: 246.5 - 244.5 = 2
Ifrit Auto: 134.5 - 131.5 = 3


Adjusted for crit, the Demon robe still comes out slightly ahead between these two builds.

Augmented (17.42%)
Auto: 83.5 * 0.8258 + 83.5 * 1.5 * 0.1742 = 90.77285
Ruin: 316.5 * 0.8258 + 316.5 * 1.5 * 0.1742 = 344.06715
Bio: 157.5 * 0.8258 + 157.5 * 1.5 * 0.1742 = 171.21825
Burning Strike: 244.5 * 0.8258 + 244.5 * 1.5 * 0.1742 = 265.79595
Ifrit Auto: 131.5 * 0.8258 + 131.5 * 1.5 * 0.1742 = 142.95365

Demon (16.27%)
Auto: 85.5 * 0.8373 + 85.5 * 1.5 * 0.1627 = 92.455425
Ruin: 318.5 * 0.8373 + 318.5 * 1.5 * 0.1627 = 344.409975
Bio: 158.5 * 0.8373 + 158.5 * 1.5 * 0.1627 = 171.393975
Burning Strike: 246.5 * 0.8373 + 246.5 * 1.5 * 0.1627 = 266.552775
Ifrit Auto: 134.5 * 0.8373 + 134.5 * 1.5 * 0.1627 = 145.441575

[Havenchild]

Also, if I remember correctly, Casting spells disrupt Auto-Attacks, so they wouldn't get any AA's whilst fire spamming.

It does but if the end of a cast animation lines up with an auto attack, the auto will still happen.

[Dervy]

It does but if the end of a cast animation lines up with an auto attack, the auto will still happen.

Ooh. I never knew that.

[Fatshine]

Very very interesting discussion. However I think the Demon Robe is much better, not just slightly than Aug IW. I stacked Det as high as possible and see a huge increase in DPS. I think the reason is even though SS is a DPS gain even though it's marginal on the player, pets are not effected by it (til 3.0 maybe). So in theory the Aug IW is weighted higher but in reality, without the SS you will parse much higher. I currently have 371 SS and that seems perfect. Any higher would be a waste. So Avalen was right.

However, my Crit is much lower than what she recommends. I rather not swap the IW neck for Dread and have an over load of Accuracy since I can't afford pentameld crafting gear. When I tested, I did about 4 DPS higher. I think it was just Crit RNG. Oh and I recently got Apocalypse Zeta. My god it's delicious xD.

[ShinryuReishiki]

Very very interesting discussion. However I think the Demon Robe is much better, not just slightly than Aug IW.

In terms of raw damage on each attack, it's only slightly better, but in terms of DPS, it's likely to be more significant. That little difference grows more prominent when you consider buffs, debuffs, the simultaneous nature of SMN's damage output, multi-DoTing, and so forth.

pets are not effected by it

Tooltips don't update, but pets are affected by speed stats. (But still, not worth it)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l-affects-pets

[Havenchild]

I never understood why skillspeed affects Ifrit and Titan on a class that doesn't use that stat. They should code their skills separate from weaponskills.