Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[lorazepam]

There's a thread here with some examples of dyes. It's rather underwhelming, but I still love the chest piece.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...47#post3254347

I don't necessarily mind that the lower portion stays green, but I wish we had a dye that matched it....

thanks. so underwhelming though.

[Charybdis]

No, I legitimately am tested OUT after collecting all the data points for Dervy. Just waiting on weights! I was honestly just wanting to see if you had/could post an album of dyed shots somewhere (don't want to derail all the advice, numbers and discussions here).

[Minorinz]

if only the upgraded i210 book had some cool animation too ):

[Dervy]

Sorry if this is basic knowledge. Skillspeed affects Ifrit and co, correct?

I've got a, uh... Not a fully functional Summoner Model at the moment. Still missing Pet values and I have no clue how many of you SMNs are still book-whacking... But for a Book-Whacker, it looks like CRT > SS > CRT.

For a non book-whacker.... SS >> CRT >>>> DET... As I said, it's not fully functional and I'm missing Pet Values but this is... uh... Interesting, to say the least. Biggest issue is sorting out the Summoner Rotation. I'm suck at 72s (lol). I'm not using swiftcasts yet, as I need to figure out a way to get swiftcasts to work...

[Kona_Nightwind]

Sorry if this is basic knowledge. Skillspeed affects Ifrit and co, correct?

I've got a, uh... Not a fully functional Summoner Model at the moment. Still missing Pet values and I have no clue how many of you SMNs are still book-whacking... But for a Book-Whacker, it looks like CRT > SS > CRT.

For a non book-whacker.... SS >> CRT >>>> DET... As I said, it's not fully functional and I'm missing Pet Values but this is... uh... Interesting, to say the least. Biggest issue is sorting out the Summoner Rotation. I'm suck at 72s (lol). I'm not using swiftcasts yet, as I need to figure out a way to get swiftcasts to work...

[Charybdis]

Spell Speed does affect the damage of Ifrit and co though I'm not sure to what extent (have done 0 testing on this one) - I can begin gathering data on this for you, just curious what all you'd need data wise.

Clarification on the book whacking? You posted CRT > SS > CRT? Which one was supposed to be DET (if any?) I think most people are trying to book whack on extremely stationary fights (Faust) and abandoning it when it's not feasible. Not sure how often this is happening overall.

Let me know if I can help anymore, Dervy! The SS winning over CRT and DET is incredibly interesting, I wouldn't have guessed that!

[Dervy]

Spell Speed does affect the damage of Ifrit and co though I'm not sure to what extent (have done 0 testing on this one) - I can begin gathering data on this for you, just curious what all you'd need data wise.

Clarification on the book whacking? You posted CRT > SS > CRT? Which one was supposed to be DET (if any?) I think most people are trying to book whack on extremely stationary fights (Faust) and abandoning it when it's not feasible. Not sure how often this is happening overall.

Let me know if I can help anymore, Dervy! The SS winning over CRT and DET is incredibly interesting, I wouldn't have guessed that!

CRT > SS > DET.

This is why you don't post at 3am after having a few drinks, Dervy!


But think about it this way. 51% of your DPS, with the exception of your pets, are coming from your DoTs. You have a Skillspeed DoT modifier of 1.0001295. At 600 Skillspeed, your DoTs are being boosted by *1.031857. So a Bio, fully buffed via Crit or w/e, goes from 522 -> 538 Potency. That's quite a lot. That's for 3 DoTs, and again, DoTs are making up 51% of your DPS. So, a +5 boost in Skillspeed makes you go from 111.796 PPS to 111.917, or *1.00108, which is about a 0.108% PPS increase.

+5 CRT only makes you go from 111.769 to 111.88 PPS, which is *1.000993119738031, or a 0.00993% PPS increase.

When you're not Auto-Attacking, the relative DPS contribution of WD, INT, DET and CRT are essentially slashed, with the exception of SS, as that doesn't affect your Auto-Attacks. Speaking of which, AA's are 20%-25% of your total DPS when bookwhacking, so that's a 25% hit per point of WD/INT/DET/CRT in terms of their relative DPS contribution.

(Note: The biggest issue is that you do not AA when you're casting a spell. So, even though you have an AA_DELAY of 3.12 or whatever it is on your books, that delay will be longer than it should be depending on your casts, so AAs dps contribution will be lower.)

So of course, if INT is doing less damage per point without AA's, but SS is still keeping 100% of its DPS contribution, (and due to how stat-weights are calculated), this will inflate SS's weight. If INTs DPS contribution was higher without AAs, then SS weight would decrease, if that makes sense?

But as I said, I still need to work on Pets, get the rotation working and put in a working Aetherflow + Dreadwyrm Trance Model to accurately track PPS increases and other stuff.

Long way to go still, but I'm getting it done!

[Sleigh]

What was the time on this parse Sleigh?

I always go to about 3m40s, which is after your Deathflare. Semi-cheesy ending, but it's about when melee are dry anyway, and you could pretty much always end a fight with Deathflare in this time window if you were to have a 3m-ish time.

But think about it this way. 51% of your DPS, with the exception of your pets, are coming from your DoTs. You have a Skillspeed DoT modifier of 1.0001295. At 600 Skillspeed, your DoTs are being boosted by *1.031857. So a Bio, fully buffed via Crit or w/e, goes from 522 -> 538 Potency. That's quite a lot. That's for 3 DoTs, and again, DoTs are making up 51% of your DPS. So, a +5 boost in Skillspeed makes you go from 111.796 PPS to 111.917, or *1.00108, which is about a 0.108% PPS increase.

+5 CRT only makes you go from 111.769 to 111.88 PPS, which is *1.000993119738031, or a 0.00993% PPS increase.

When you're not Auto-Attacking, the relative DPS contribution of WD, INT, DET and CRT are essentially slashed, with the exception of SS, as that doesn't affect your Auto-Attacks. Speaking of which, AA's are 20%-25% of your total DPS when bookwhacking, so that's a 25% hit per point of WD/INT/DET/CRT in terms of their relative DPS contribution.

(Note: The biggest issue is that you do not AA when you're casting a spell. So, even though you have an AA_DELAY of 3.12 or whatever it is on your books, that delay will be longer than it should be depending on your casts, so AAs dps contribution will be lower.)
Long way to go still, but I'm getting it done!

AAs are about 90 damage per 2.5s-ish, something like 30 DPS after crits with full uptime. Considering we do 1300~ actual DPS already regardless of auto-attacks, and that auto-attacks scale terribly/not at all with certain stats, I'd be very curious where you're getting 20-25% of our total DPS, because it looks more like 2-3% at best.

Also DoTs are more like 30% of our total DPS now. Ruin/R2/R3 are about 20%, DoTs are 30%, Deathflare + Fester + Pain are 20-25% depending on crits, Pet is 25% including Enkindle, then of course 2% auto-attacks (on a dummy, standing in front of it 100% and getting copious R2 amounts and always a M2 during DWT). It all changes in actual encounters of course (DoTs and Death/Fester/Pain usually go up due to party buffs and AoEing/multis, Ruin goes down, Pet can stay around where it is depending on Enkindle's goodness), but that's what it's like on a dummy.

[Minorinz]

skillspeed? lol I dont even.

[Dervy]

Spell/Skillspeed. It's the same thing. I'm just so used to calling "that stat which lowers our GCD/Cast times and influences our dot" Skillspeed.

I don't even what you're I don't evening about.