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  1. #551
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    I don't think you can reach Deathflare with pot unless you use it within the DWT itself, or skip an attack inside DWT. Hai Hai's opener has his pot inside DWT but it clips the GCD and hits only a Fester and Deathflare; my usage hits 2X Festers and a Painflare which is more potency, with no clipping, but I can't really say if that's the only up or downside to it, that's just what I'm using for now. I can't really recommend my opener until I've tested it vs other openers.
    I've tested your opener and it's given me the highest so far.


    Quote Originally Posted by Minorinz View Post
    Could u provide a detailed parse for that, ACT pls? If your friend parsed you then request a screenshot please, it will help analyze a lot of things.
    Yep, I will post it tomorrow since I am just about to go to sleep and my friend is offline anyway.

    Edit: I would also like to mention I am ilevel i185. 3 i190 pieces leftside and 2 i190 accessories.
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    Last edited by OneWingedSora; 07-16-2015 at 07:26 PM.

  2. #552
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    Actually it is possible start with DWS against dummy if you hit 3x energy drain then reset parser and open again before your stacks fall of. That way you can get high numbers against dummy. Dummy parsers are all that matter isnt it?
    People are free to do whatever and show their parsers if they want to help with the discussion, and if they decide to boost their dps for funziez they should at least say so.

    Right now we are comparing ifrit parses for single target and testing openers on a dummy, so yeah it matters. Would be nice to see garuda parses as well.
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  3. #553
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    Eondrulth Drakkon
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    Dynamic Summoner

    Ahh I am so excited and really appreciate all of the comments and feedback listed in this thread. One thing seems to bug me though. It seems that there are so many new people trying and out Summoner and not really utilizing what they can bring to the duty and also it seems people are just looking for surefire ways to standardize their Summoner.

    Being a Summoner since day one I have learned that there is no set way to play as a Summoner. You have rotations and need to manage A LOT and want to maintain best you can, but these rotations change throughout the fight based on what becomes the priority, like rezzing a healer or tank or yes a dps as well when necessary. Leaving a dps dead on the field is a lot of dps you could've helped bring to the fight.

    Learning rotations are very helpful, knowing how to adapt to the current situation is most beneficial for the entire party.
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  4. #554
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    Using Sleigh's opener but ending DWT at 5 seconds in the opener so Deathflare gets buffed by pot. Party buff + Draconian pots.
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    Last edited by OneWingedSora; 07-17-2015 at 03:34 AM.

  5. #555
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    PS4 player here, I'm not able to parse and I hate bugging my PC FC mates to sit and watch me smack a dummy around for an hour. Would like some critique from the community on the 2 openers listed below. Thanks!

    2 Painflare/1 Fester
    Rouse + Spur
    Bio2>Painflare> Miasma> Bio> Fester> Ruin2>RS/XPot>Ruin2>Painflare>Enkindle + Aetherflow
    Swift Cast> DWT> Shadow Flare>Tri-Disaster>Fester> Miasma 2> Contagion> Ruin3>Ruin3>Ruin3> Fester> Death Flare.

    1 Painflare/2 Fester
    Bio2>Painflare> Miasma> Bio> Fester> Ruin2>Rouse+Spur>Ruin2>RS/XPot>Ruin2>Fester> Enkindle + AetherFlow
    Swift Cast> DWT> Shadow Flare>Tri-Disaster>Fester> Miasma 2> Contagion> Ruin3>Ruin3>Ruin3> Fester> Death Flare.

    I've mainly been using Garuda until I get familiar with my current Hot bar set up (Can get very tricky using a controller, need nimble fingers, haha).
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  6. #556
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post



    Using Sleigh's opener but ending DWT at 5 seconds in the opener so Deathflare gets buffed by pot. Party buff + Draconian pots.


    Fester crit rate is 8% ouch but at least one of your deathflares was crit since 25% and there were 4 deathflares. I wonder 12%-15% is the normal crit rate atm, must be.
    I'm i184 right now, I'ma compare my dps with pots and party buff and see if that opener is optimum, thank you for sharing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom00 View Post
    PS4 player here, I'm not able to parse and I hate bugging my PC FC mates to sit and watch me smack a dummy around for an hour. Would like some critique from the community on the 2 openers listed below. Thanks!

    2 Painflare/1 Fester
    Rouse + Spur
    Bio2>Painflare> Miasma> Bio> Fester> Ruin2>RS/XPot>Ruin2>Painflare>Enkindle + Aetherflow
    Swift Cast> DWT> Shadow Flare>Tri-Disaster>Fester> Miasma 2> Contagion> Ruin3>Ruin3>Ruin3> Fester> Death Flare.

    1 Painflare/2 Fester
    Bio2>Painflare> Miasma> Bio> Fester> Ruin2>Rouse+Spur>Ruin2>RS/XPot>Ruin2>Fester> Enkindle + AetherFlow
    Swift Cast> DWT> Shadow Flare>Tri-Disaster>Fester> Miasma 2> Contagion> Ruin3>Ruin3>Ruin3> Fester> Death Flare.

    I've mainly been using Garuda until I get familiar with my current Hot bar set up (Can get very tricky using a controller, need nimble fingers, haha).
    Shadowflare/miasma2 during dwt is a waste of gcd, ruin 3 will do higher than shadowflare buffed, although using raging prematurely for pf, dunno if that's optimum. Also that fester right after bio, are you getting the full potency? o.o
    my connection has been so ghetto lately, fester won't count bio if i do it on bio's gcd.
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  7. #557
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    I make sure to wait a second to hit fester after Bio since it has that slower application.
    I was under the impression that a contagioned Miasma2 comes out to the same potency as a Ruin3? Either way, I intend to swap Miasma2+contagion for Ruin3 once I swap in Ifrit. I'm aware of the loss of DPS when using SF instead of Ruin3, the idea I had was to use SwiftCast before going into DWT as to have the buffed ShadowFlare replace the Ruin2 that I've usually seen in some openers used as a weave. Its the R2 I'd be replacing, and not a R3.
    If its not optimal, then its not optimal. I just don't have the means to test this out.
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  8. #558
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    Yea contagion miasma II is a dps increase over ruin/II and equivalent to ruin III, also while you're in melee range go give it a book smack.
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  9. #559
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom00 View Post
    I make sure to wait a second to hit fester after Bio since it has that slower application.
    I was under the impression that a contagioned Miasma2 comes out to the same potency as a Ruin3? Either way, I intend to swap Miasma2+contagion for Ruin3 once I swap in Ifrit. I'm aware of the loss of DPS when using SF instead of Ruin3, the idea I had was to use SwiftCast before going into DWT as to have the buffed ShadowFlare replace the Ruin2 that I've usually seen in some openers used as a weave. Its the R2 I'd be replacing, and not a R3.
    If its not optimal, then its not optimal. I just don't have the means to test this out.
    Then I think it should go like this:
    SwiftCast> DWT> Shadow Flare>Tri-Disaster+Fester>Contagion> Ruin3>Ruin3>Ruin3>Ruin 3> (squeeze a ruin 2 here somewhere if not that's ok) Fester> Death Flare.

    OR:

    SwiftCast> DWT> Shadow Flare>Tri-Disaster+Fester> Ruin3>Ruin3>Ruin3>Miasma 2>Contagion>Fester> Death Flare.

    This way u'll be on gcd during fester+deathflare and contagion will be on spell/ability queue for garuda.
    If you are sure the target will be stationary for that shadowflare over the usage of ruin2 then it's up to you. Just try not to stack too many ogcds together and mesh them like you did here then stack gcds with no ogcds to weave when you need it here:

    Bio2>Painflare> Miasma> Bio> Fester> Ruin2>Rouse+Spur>Ruin2>RS/XPot>Ruin2>Fester> Enkindle + AetherFlow
    Swift Cast> DWT>
    Shadow Flare>Tri-Disaster>Fester> Miasma 2> Contagion> Ruin3>Ruin3>Ruin3> Fester> Death Flare.



    These are my thoughts, hope this helps!
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    Last edited by Minorinz; 07-17-2015 at 11:41 AM.

  10. #560
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    Never cast shadowflare (even swiftcasted) during DWT.

    Sflare gains only 25 potency during DWT, while Ruin III gains 52 potency over Ruin/II.

    The only spell you should cast during DWT is Ruin III, ending with a Ruin II > Fester > Deathflare.

    For nonopener, nontri-d DWT, I would go

    [Bio|DWT|Fester] > [Ruin III]x5 > [Ruin II|Fester|Deathflare]

    If you are using tri-d, I would open with Ruin II > DWT > Tri-D > Fester (yes this may clip slightly, will still be fine).
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    Last edited by pandabearcat; 07-17-2015 at 07:12 PM.

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