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    We don't need accuracy or crit. You'll want to get spell speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
    We don't need accuracy or crit. You'll want to get spell speed.

    Spell speed scaling is pretty bad. You need like 72-73 SSPD to get 1% dot damage iirc. I will take the crit.

    Also if you are doing Alex savage, chances are you will need the accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
    We don't need accuracy or crit. You'll want to get spell speed.
    We don't know if that's true or not yet. If you use ACC on food, you are able to replace a piece of gear for more optimal stats. That would include a belt or right side item and on rare occasions, some of the other left side.

    As for those of you asking for best stats to pursue atm, the answer truly is no one knows 100% yet the best makeup. Crit is an ever expanding number now. Both it was nerfed to the ground in terms of rate chance, but as the gear gets higher in ilvl, the crit rate bonuses will increase back to what we had. At 640 crit for example, you are hovering around 15-18% again. Higher crit? Harder crit hits.

    Det is another stat we don't know how good or bad it is at the top ilvl. We won't know much of this until, we get more set options to compare against. Sure you can filler some numbers and make comparisons with other classes, but thats all moot filler. Needs to be tested on each individual class anyway.Right now to be honest, just use Food that gives crit, ss or det. Any of those would likely be fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reneo View Post
    So what is the full rotation for SMN with dreadworm stance? My significant other is somewhat confuse on rotations about SMN since dreadwyrm stance was added?
    I haven't gotten around to putting it on the guide but the basis is that:

    DWT Rules:

    Everything casted in DWT outside of Ruin III is a DPS loss. If DoTs must be refreshed in DWT, use Tri- Disaster to do so (although you should use Tri-D to refresh DoTs anyway in DWT). If Tri-D is not available, then manual DoT as normal then return to Ruin III use again.

    Maximum output in DWT is essentially: Fester -> Ruin IIIx5? -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Deathflare, while refreshing DoTs with Tri-D somewhere in there.

    You want to make sure you line up a few things:
    The timer to enter DWT (Aetherail Stacks), Contagion, Aetherflow (Regular three stacks) and Tri Disaster / Raging Strikes when possible.

    This will allow you to preform a max DPS scenario with regards to DWT. In order to line up these skills, you will have to delay the third Aetherflow skill you use, for at least 15-20 seconds after the previous one. This makes it so you will have time to enter DWT, while having AF up, Tri-D (usually) to refresh DoTs in DWT and Contagion to extend those DoTs.

    Never ever miss out on a Deathflare. If you must use it sooner simply to land it, do so. If the opportunity comes where you can hit multiple mobs with it, do so.

    In terms of starting rotation, I haven't heard of one that's standing out far above the rest but a lot of people seem to be stacking Raging / Pot and and such right before entering DWT.

    Something similar to this:

    Bio II - Miasma - Bio -> Painflare/Fester -> Ruin II -> Swift Shadow -> Rouse/Spur -> Ruin II -> Raging Strikes -> Ruin II -> INT Pot-> Painflare/AF -> DWT -> Fester -> Ruin III - Ruin II -> Tri-D/Enkindle -> Ruin III (Contagion)-> Ruin III -> Ruin III -> Fester -> Deathflare.

    Then follow the above rules. I'm not saying this is the best rotation atm, only that it's one of the decent ones. I personally do things alil different (place RS somewhere earlier)but I haven't tested all of them yet to see which was better.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 07-14-2015 at 07:44 PM.

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    If you don't need the accuracy and crit, there's also Creme Brulee which I am using for my BLM. HQ is 40 SSPD and 13 det.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    In terms of starting rotation, I haven't heard of one that's standing out far above the rest but a lot of people seem to be stacking Raging / Pot and and such right before entering DWT.

    Something similar to this:

    Bio II - Miasma - Bio -> Painflare/Fester -> Ruin II -> Swift Shadow -> Rouse/Spur -> Ruin II -> Raging Strikes -> Ruin II -> INT Pot-> Painflare/AF -> DWT -> Fester -> Ruin III - Ruin II -> Tri-D/Enkindle -> Ruin III (Contagion)-> Ruin III -> Ruin III -> Fester -> Deathflare.

    Then follow the above rules. I'm not saying this is the best rotation atm, only that it's one of the decent ones. I personally do things alil different (place RS somewhere earlier)but I haven't tested all of them yet to see which was better.
    I'm liking the new Primals/Raids so far since each one seems to require a slightly different opener to optimize your damage.

    i.e.
    Ravana - B2MB -> Fester X 3 - Hold DWT burst for Liberation (Each Liberation lines up with DWT from this point on as well as Butterfly Phase)
    Bis EX - Dot, Bane, Pain adds - Burst on Spine etc
    Alex Turn 3 - I hate opening with Pain Flare (I'd rather just use up my Festers) But.....in order to fit the initial rotation in just before the boss swaps forms and you lose DWT, I found you have to use Pain Flare @ the start. Which then lines up nice for Double Hands.

    Pretty well all kinds of this stuff in all the fights. Pretty nice IMO from the typical coils.
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    All stats scaling is pretty meh. Both crit and SS are kinda meh. It takes too many stat points to increase any secondary significantly.

    The difference in dps between any food (HQ or not, "best" stats or not) is going to be on the order of like 1-10 dps. Completely not relevant. Go with what is cheaper =D

    SS does not affect festers/deathflare, but is still much better than before.

    I haven't had the issue of needing more accuracy. Unless all the gordian gear has absolutely none on it, I'm pretty sure (esp since we have ZERO choice in gear atm) there is no point in accuracy foods. If it turns out savage has extreme acc requirements then we will eat acc food, but for now, we are way overcap in just law gear.
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    Last edited by pandabearcat; 07-14-2015 at 09:30 PM.

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    Guide to gearing in Heavansword-
    Wear the piece with the most Int. End of guide.
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    So has it been stated yet if Ifrit benefits from Slash debuff or blunt debuff anymore?
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    It benefits from magic debuff as all of its damage is now magical.
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    ahh thats lame so now the gap btwn them is even closer.
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