Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Sleigh]

Its really good on Ravana actually; if you know when the cleaves come you get 50 potency x 8 each time. its amazing.

*edit
every second one, i forgot cooldowns are a thing rofl

Very good fact to know, I'll make sure to go for that.

[ShinryuReishiki]

I just tested with Ifrit on a dummy. Was seeing 363-400 damage Burning Strikes, and as soon as I popped an X-Pot, numbers jumped well over 400. Spur wasn't required.

[waifugenerator]

Has anyone found a repeatable dungeon spam rotation yet? I've been doing Bio II, Miasama, Bio, Painflare, Bane, BlizzIIx2, Painflare, DWT, AF, Tri Disaster, Bane, BlizzII, Deathflare.
Only downside is that it's not very efficient at all and my CDs are already used up for the next pull)):

[GideonHighmourn]

Has anyone found a repeatable dungeon spam rotation yet? I've been doing Bio II, Miasama, Bio, Painflare, Bane, BlizzIIx2, Painflare, DWT, AF, Tri Disaster, Bane, BlizzII, Deathflare.
Only downside is that it's not very efficient at all and my CDs are already used up for the next pull)):

I'm having problems with this, as well. I feel like I'm semi-useless every-other trash pull. I don't have enough aetherflow stacks to Bane/Painflare enough to feel like I'm contributing; I feel as though I have to pick one or the other.

Similar thing happens for adds/mechanics in boss fights; I'm not sure how I can "burst" down an add that needs to be killed quickly without blowing Tri-Disater/Fester combo. Ruin III costs too much MP outside of DWT, and Ruin II doesn't offer enough burst-DPS to take things like the feathers down in Neverreap, Ganas in Ravana, etc quickly enough. Comparably, on SCH, I can CS and use Broil->Ruin IIx2 and usually kill 1-2 feathers.

Suggestions?

[Fatshine]

Just four more levels >_<. Oh and about your AOE problem, it just comes down to more Aetherflow stack management. If you blow everything out then you will have nothing on the next pull. If I have one left and Aetherflow is not up yet, I save it. By the time I get to the next pull I use the stack, active Aetherflow, then go ham. Always have minimum one stack, two is fine depending on AF cooldown. I had this problem when I first got Painflare. I was so excited to use it I had no stacks often, but I adjusted. This is my advice up to level 57. I don't know level 60 stuff yet.

[Judge_Xero]

I just tested with Ifrit on a dummy. Was seeing 363-400 damage Burning Strikes, and as soon as I popped an X-Pot, numbers jumped well over 400. Spur wasn't required.

Checked this today as well.

Both food and pots work on pets instantly. No resummon or Spur required.

Has anyone found a repeatable dungeon spam rotation yet? I've been doing Bio II, Miasama, Bio, Painflare, Bane, BlizzIIx2, Painflare, DWT, AF, Tri Disaster, Bane, BlizzII, Deathflare.
Only downside is that it's not very efficient at all and my CDs are already used up for the next pull)):

The only way I've found to have fluid usefulness in dungeon trash pulls was to use Garuda.

If your tank is doing consistently large trash pulls then you will have a good opener up each time.

3D -> M2 -> Contagion -> SC Shadow Flare -> Pain + Bane -> Blizz II

Insert Rouse/Spur Enkindle where applicable.

Using Ifrit, you end up having to refresh your dots too soon in order to Bane again which burns your aetherflow for the next pull. If you don't redot and bane then the last bit of health seems to take forever.

[pandabearcat]

It also doesn't matter if you wait a second or two seconds or 15 seconds to use contagion.

Trying to jam so many things at once is altogether unnecessary and also doesn't even lead to dps increase.

[Shamirah]

For the speedrun... wouldn't it be better to dot manually + bane instead of using 3D ? I'm saying that 'cause if the mobs are not dead after your dots fall off... then you can instantly reapply them + bane. (using ifrit)

[Havenchild]

For the speedrun... wouldn't it be better to dot manually + bane instead of using 3D ? I'm saying that 'cause if the mobs are not dead after your dots fall off... then you can instantly reapply them + bane. (using ifrit)

In dungeons in general, you should manual DoT each pull and save 3D if you need to refresh DoTs on mobs. The only time you should use 3D otherwise, is when you are waiting/running to the next pull and you pop Dreadwyrm Trance right before the pull begins + have at least one AF ready for Bane to maximize damage of Blizzard II spam in DWT, or perhaps in general with DWT if you want/need to refresh and plan on Bane-ing more potent DoTs.

With Ifrit you will definitely need to save 3D to refresh.
With Garuda, if things are dying fast enough and 1 set of DoTs + Contagion is enough to level a group of mobs then you can use 3D + Contagion whenever they are both up.

It also doesn't matter if you wait a second or two seconds or 15 seconds to use contagion.

Trying to jam so many things at once is altogether unnecessary and also doesn't even lead to dps increase.

Actually it does matter, especially before you Bane DoTs onto other mobs. You can't wait 1, 2 or 15 seconds to Bane DoTs over because at that point you will need to refresh these DoTs much sooner and you are simply cutting into your AoE DPS.

Tried it out. It is on whoever is getting hit and doesn't matter at all about Ifrit's buffs at the time (unless it is Ifrit getting hit)

Wow, it is even better than I thought it was in that case.

To my knowledge it also doesn't have a limit for the amount of hits it can do simultaneously if multiple people are suffering damage.

[Judge_Xero]

For the speedrun... wouldn't it be better to dot manually + bane instead of using 3D ? I'm saying that 'cause if the mobs are not dead after your dots fall off... then you can instantly reapply them + bane. (using ifrit)

Here's the differences I'm looking at so far for SR's and whether Ifrit or Garuda is best.

Radiant Shield VS Aerial Slash

Radiant Shield's damage is based off the damage output of the target being attacked (Generally the Tank) and is also a 50 Potency physical attack (Physical Damage is lower than Magical) - So how much damage will a tank do with a 50 Potency attack over 20s of being hit with physical attacks.
Best case scenario ~6 hits per mob? (300 Potency per mob)

Flaming Crush - 110 Physical Potency

Aerial Slash (Magic 90 Potency still? Haven't checked since patch TBH) is based off Pet Damage (Rouse/Spur etc)

So far most large pulls of mobs die in a single 3D + Contagion Bane which leaves an extra AF for Pain instead of Dot Re-Application.

So really I guess I'm comparing a Buffed Aerial Slash + an extra Pain Flare and overall quicker setup VS Ifrit better single target damage, Radiant + Buffed Physical 110 Potency AOE.

In total I think it's pretty close, but I just find that everything lines up so much better using Garuda for the adds and Ifrit for bosses.