Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[ShaolinMike]

I thought using Shadowflare or Miasma II was a DPS loss in DWT. I don't think either outweighs the Ruin III cast you'll be losing.

Miasma II allows you to weave in oGCDs like Tri-disaster and Fester, but it has more potency than Ruin II if you Contagion it.

[Griffey]

Miasma II allows you to weave in oGCDs like Tri-disaster and Fester, but it has more potency than Ruin II if you Contagion it.

If you contagion a miasma 2 it will add an extra 50 potency, for a total of 120 so yes, its more powerful than a ruin 2 but only if it's allowed to tic for at least 24 of its boosted 30 second duration. We are however talking about during DWT so that won't be as powerful as a 200 potency ruin 3 which you should be using during trance anyway.

The only time miasma 2 will have more potency is against 3 targets and again is allowed to tick for 15 seconds. Remember contagion can only hit one target and the boosted miasma 2 can't be spread by bane, so one target will take 120 potency, the other two will take the regular 70. I can't think of a situation that you will be attacking multiple targets that stay alive for that long.

[Neela]

Fester or other skills that give aether stacks. I'm basically wondering how often I should be using fester and other skill to gain aether stacks so that I'm maximizing my dps but at the same time I'm not doing it too often so that I don't have my cooldowns up when I cast DWT. I'm also wondering if I'm saving DWT for certain situations so that it's not wasted, should I also be saving my festers and other skills that give aether stacks since I might be loosing the stacks by saving DWT.

actually there are different ways to get into DWT. not every way is max dps but u can say different combinations fit different situations.

Fastes way to get Bahamuts Spirit up is (after applying dots) fester>painflare>energy drain on single targets or fester>painflare>bane on casual mobs. both are definitly not the way to spare max dps but most of the time its enough to punch dng mobs down fast. talking about boss fights or longterm single targets you can either use fester>painflare>fester for 2nd best way to trance (u generally can reach dwt within one dot duration) or even better but more time consuming using fester>fester (ruin ll or even lll if your manapool is up while cd) > recast bio > fester > trance. making most out of your dps along your way to trance - but you need more time to reach dwt cause u have to recast your dots for making fester max dps and thats a thing not every boss will grand you to cause of movement-mechanics or aoes. its given' to the situation which way to enter dwt serves best. but knowing the different ways and their purpose will let you understand this cls better


cheers
Yuni

[ShaolinMike]

If you contagion a miasma 2 it will add an extra 50 potency, for a total of 120 so yes, its more powerful than a ruin 2 but only if it's allowed to tic for at least 24 of its boosted 30 second duration. We are however talking about during DWT so that won't be as powerful as a 200 potency ruin 3 which you should be using during trance anyway.

The only time miasma 2 will have more potency is against 3 targets and again is allowed to tick for 15 seconds. Remember contagion can only hit one target and the boosted miasma 2 can't be spread by bane, so one target will take 120 potency, the other two will take the regular 70. I can't think of a situation that you will be attacking multiple targets that stay alive for that long.

I agree on your point about the Ruin III potency, but I'm only talking about using a Contagioned Miasma II as a way to weave in oGCDs during DWT without clipping.

[ElasmoFan]

So I'm OK as far as the opener goes but on a longer boss fight (like a primal) or a dungeon boss where you don't have to worry about the mechanics at that point just yet and you've done your opener and you're just going through your rotation, would you want to spread your festers so that your cooldowns will be ready for your next DWT, and if so, is there a particular time you want to use each, or least is there a specific cooldown that you want up before you use DWT?
It's really that point where you're just dpsing down the boss that I'm having trouble wondering how often to use my festers and what the optimal time to use them would be.

Also for trash mobs in dungeons, should I try to restrict myself to one DWT per mob. It seems like every other mob or so I don't have my aetherflow up so I'm not entirely sure the fastest ways to dps down a large group of mobs since most of my aoe attacks require the stacks.

[Griffey]

Same question over and over

What? I have literally answered your first question twice already. go back and read!

To answer your second question, if your tank is picking up large groups you can afford to use a DWT every mob. It's only if they take one group at a time that you will find yourself twiddling your thumbs waiting for aetherflow to come back up.

As for your rotation on trash mobs I like to use painflare when they are grouped, then either hard cast the dots or use tri disaster, contagion, then bane the group. Follow up with a swift cast shadow flare, another pain flare and go into DWT. From here you can spam ruin 3 to whittle down the mobs, or, if there are 5 targets or more, it's actually a dps gain to use blizzard 2 and hit them all. end with death flare and the trash should be dead or very close to.

Pro tip: macro Painflare and Aerial Slash on the same button if you are struggling with pet micro management.

[ElasmoFan]

What? I have literally answered your first question twice already. go back and read!

You mentioned you spread out your festers, what I was curious about in that post is if it matters how much you spread them out or as long as you have your 3 stacks by the time aetherflow / tri disaster is up for DWT then you're fine. I feel like I might just be overthinking all of this (been sick the last several days so I've had a lot of time to think and not so much to play around lol).
Sorry for sounding like a broken record, never had an easy time getting my point or questions across very well. Thank you all for your help as well, really trying to be a good summoner. >.<

[Neela]

As for your rotation on trash mobs I like to use painflare when they are grouped, then either hard cast the dots or use tri disaster, contagion, then bane the group. Follow up with a swift cast shadow flare, another pain flare and go into DWT. From here you can spam ruin 3 to whittle down the mobs, or, if there are 5 targets or more, it's actually a dps gain to use blizzard 2 and hit them all. end with death flare and the trash should be dead or very close to.

Pro tip: macro Painflare and Aerial Slash on the same button if you are struggling with pet micro management.

my trash mob rotation looks similar i use painflare > insta shadowflare > tri (macroed with con), bane (macroed with areal), painflare > DWT > mia ll > ruinspam > deathflare. i'll never thought about macro aerial with pain instead of bane... maybe ill give it a try....

@Elas
talking about timing for aether/dwt too much won't help you to become a good smn - i guess you get the point Griffey and i are trying to clear up. its about experience and situational knowledge. last thing to say is trying to get in dwt-burst mode should be the goal as fast as possible without letting your dots run out. i won't think about the timing between the first 2 stacks – the important part of the timing is the last one so you actually have 30s from the 2nd to 3rd stack and another 15s on dwt as well - in a nut shell its all about to make the best of those 45s and keeping the flow.

[ElasmoFan]

You guys are the best! Thank you! I get what you guys are saying now (I'll be the first to admit I can be a tad slow sometimes) and I'll start practicing!

[Cherub]

What do I do if all Cooldowns are up midfight, I got 3 Aetherfloe stacks but my Aetherflow is on CD for another whole minute? Do I just do my opener without the additional aetherflow stacks?