Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Tsuli]

Hi I've been doing savage and I dk if my rotation/opener is the most optimal one. I notice that my numbers are a lil low in comparison to other smns.
My opener goes: Bio II / Miasma / Bio / Swift. + fester + shadow flare / Rouse + Spur / Ruin II + Enkindle / Ruin III / RS + pain flare + fester / Ruin II + EF / Trance / Tri D / Contagion / Ruin III / Ruin III / Ruin II / fester / Ruin III spam / DF/ Shadow flare. Then I keep dots up and do doubl fester when I cast DT. I try to time all my DTs with Tri D.
Also I currently use Baked Pipira for raiding but I was wondering if I should switch to other food like Staff. My stats are 977 crit / 499 det / SS 771

[kuchinawa]

Played around with my BiS solver a bit using the Garuda stat weights and came up with this: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/TQRN
Thoughts?

[Avin00]

Hello everyone,

I've been playing about with a new opener one I partially built from looking at improving SMN's initial burst and to help get into the flow of dmg faster and wanted to know opinions on it. All of this assumes two things you are using Ifrit and his skills are cast when they are up as they can be done during casts so it's not worth mentioning and two that you have time to cast shadow flare a few pixels in front of the boss outside his hit box and he can be moved into it as the pull happens.

So here goes:
Pre-Pull
Shadow Flare in front of the boss
Quelling Strikes
Rouse
Spur
Raging Strikes
Potion

On Pull
Tri-Disaster --> Ruin 2 --> Fester + Painflare --> Ruin 2 --> Energy Drain + Aetherflow --> Ruin 2 --> Dreadwyrm Stance + Enkindle --> Ruin 3 x 4 --> bio --> Fester + Swift Cast --> Ruin 3 --> Deathflare.

back into normal rotation hard casting shadow flare when it falls off near the end of this.

[ShaolinMike]

So here goes:
Pre-Pull
Shadow Flare in front of the boss
Quelling Strikes
Rouse
Spur
Raging Strikes
Potion

On Pull
Tri-Disaster --> Ruin 2 --> Fester + Painflare --> Ruin 2 --> Energy Drain + Aetherflow --> Ruin 2 --> Dreadwyrm Stance + Enkindle --> Ruin 3 x 4 --> bio --> Fester + Swift Cast --> Ruin 3 --> Deathflare.

back into normal rotation hard casting shadow flare when it falls off near the end of this.

Going off the top of my head, I think this only puts you into DWT maybe one GCD faster than doing a 1F 1P 1E opener. If I'm correct, I don't really see a benefit in using Tri-disaster at the start rather than hard casting your 3 DoTs.

[Neophyte]

Going off the top of my head, I think this only puts you into DWT maybe one GCD faster than doing a 1F 1P 1E opener. If I'm correct, I don't really see a benefit in using Tri-disaster at the start rather than hard casting your 3 DoTs.

I use almost his opener in A5s, so Dots and oGcd get full potency. If you skip prey you don't even need to reapply DoTs once while he's big, if you use Garuda.

[KroLeXz]

just for clarification on A5S since most people don't understand what SE implemented in heavenward to avoid mechanics messing with our dots. Like in rivahna, when a boss phases in and out when either getting a dmg buff up or down, it is reapply your dots so to take advantage of the increase or decrease of dmg. If you basing your rotation in order to "get your dots in before he gets big" it doesn't matter. When he becomes big your dots dmg will be reduced, the snapshot for dot dmg does not play a role just like on ravhna.

[OneWingedSora]

just for clarification on A5S since most people don't understand what SE implemented in heavenward to avoid mechanics messing with our dots. Like in rivahna, when a boss phases in and out when either getting a dmg buff up or down, it is reapply your dots so to take advantage of the increase or decrease of dmg. If you basing your rotation in order to "get your dots in before he gets big" it doesn't matter. When he becomes big your dots dmg will be reduced, the snapshot for dot dmg does not play a role just like on ravhna.

100% wrong, DoTs do full damage if applied when he's small. I've checked it on ACT.

[KroLeXz]

100% wrong, DoTs do full damage if applied when he's small. I've checked it on ACT.

You need to look at the actual game dots numbers ticking - Ravahn as already stated and confirmed by FFlogs arthur that dot dmg is not being calculated correctly on REX because of this.

[OneWingedSora]

You need to look at the actual game dots numbers ticking - Ravahn as already stated and confirmed by FFlogs arthur that dot dmg is not being calculated correctly on REX because of this.

Went ahead and looked in-game too, same thing. Damage snapshots if applied when he's small and stays that way when he goes big on A5S. Again, can't speak for Ravana because I haven't done it in so long but for A5S, that isn't the case.

[KroLeXz]

I was looking at your FFLogs if you follow the timeline on Bio I, it doesn't seem to be the case in there either. Are you sure?

Granted I can't see your rotation in there, I'm assuming your front loading everything in the beginning right? Well the dmg on the dots drop off when he becomes big - maybe I'm reading that wrong. So either FFlogs is wrong and you should be higher or it's as I explained previously.