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  1. #101
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    Lets hope for you guys it isnt tied to AF.
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  2. #102
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    Philia Felice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hakmatic View Post
    What I dont understand is why you keep saying swift+tri. I mean everyone knows that any AF move is OGCD. Pretty sure its safe to say its going be a OGCD since it uses AF.
    You might be right.

    https://youtu.be/L1wN30QV8y0?t=96

    That first move is what I'd speculate to be Tri-Disaster and unless they used Swiftcast pre-video (highly doubtful) it is indeed instant cast.
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  3. #103
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    Doesn't matter if it is or isn't, if its not then we just don't need to use swiftcast for it, thats all.
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  4. #104
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    Avalen Koma
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
    Doesn't matter if it is or isn't, if its not then we just don't need to use swiftcast for it, thats all.
    I'm also curious why you feel I can't have a precasted ShadowFlare down, and then actually pre cast a Bio II o.o
    You can do both you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    I think tanks are gonna love the idea if you open with tri disaster and fester without quelling once they have one shield lob into it XD.
    That seems very dangerous . Would still be pretty nice if it just has a cd and isn't tied to AF.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 05-24-2015 at 05:14 AM.

  5. #105
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    Divine Gate
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    Yeah. If indeed it is a CD skill.
    RS B2 M B - 3D before RS falls may be an option as well. Can think of it as a free dot extension under buffs.
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  6. #106
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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    asd
    If it cost no aetherflow it will become part of our singletarget dps rotatio and you need try find situations once all your 3 dots have really small duration left. Other words You need "sacrifice" your singletarget dps if you hold your tri-disaster for the add mechanic that is gonna spawn later. Thats why I prefer aetherflow system myself. I like the idea you should use tri disaster only if your opponent is clean of dots and you can choose when you use it and not every time it is out from the cd.
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    Last edited by Sunako; 05-25-2015 at 12:18 AM.

  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    If it cost no aetherflow it will become part of our singletarget dps rotatio and you need try find situations once all your 3 dots have really small duration left.
    Other words You need "sacrifice" your singletarget dps if you hold your tri-disaster for the add mechanic that is gonna spawn later. Thats why I prefer aetherflow system myself. I like the idea you should use tri disaster only if your opponent is clean of dots and you can choose when you use it and not every time it is out from the cd.
    Like if it's no Aetherflow, it's gonna be amazing to use around just generally especially when like you have two DoTs at like lets say 5 seconds and another at like 1 second left fairly sure if you use it in a moment like that, it would be a DPS gain. If it uses AF though, then I think solely those moments where like something is gonna die so fast you cant Bane off of, is when you would use it. Perhaps also to re-dot up a mob when it finally comes back into play after going invincible and all your dots falling off.
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  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Like if it's no Aetherflow, it's gonna be amazing to use around just generally especially when like you have two DoTs at like lets say 5 seconds and another at like 1 second left fairly sure if you use it in a moment like that, it would be a DPS gain.
    Waiting for that kind of situation is theoretically dps loss. You wanna use it every time skill is out from the cd. I have not calculated what would be most wise way use this kind of ability since it is not even important cause anything is not confirmed, but i think you should use it after next what ever dot is gonna fall of from your target after skill drop out from the cooldown so you can use it often as possible.
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  9. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    Waiting for that kind of situation is theoretically dps loss. You wanna use it every time skill is out from the cd. I have not calculated what would be most wise way use this kind of ability since it is not even important cause anything is not confirmed, but i think you should use it after next what ever dot is gonna fall of from your target after skill drop out from the cooldown so you can use it often as possible.
    Like clip all of your DoTs regardless of timers (assuming it's not DoTs that snapshotted some buff) to avoid burning a GCD that can be dedicated to let's say another ruin. That's very likely a gain assuming those are normal potency DoTs in play and it's just a oGCD to throw out without any AF cost. If you start clipping snapshotted DoTs though at higher timers when you have to refresh another DoT, idk how worth it it would be to not just burn the GCD.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 05-25-2015 at 12:55 AM.

  10. #110
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    Sariena Adeline
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    Still refining my DPS on a Dummy before I try in real scenarios (I know, Echo, but I still want to be absolutely comfortable), but, should I ever be hardcasting Shadowflare? I only use Shadowflare when Swiftcast is up. I was able to obtain 527 on a dummy (Ifrit) without hardcasting Shadow flare.
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