Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Charybdis]

That being said, do you have the data you need from an actual damage perspective on the pets (INT/DET on how hard they actually hit)?

I started working on this for him but then swapped once the whole "Spell Speed with Pets" came into big question.

So, can someone stack 903+ SS and tell me if they get 2.9 recast? (Lmfao)

Can we even GET that much SS at the moment?

[Judge_Xero]

I'm confused about some people not seeing any results over longer trials when testing SPD, or even different Crit values for that matter.

Among some that I've posted here is basically my highest and lowest set as a comparison.
1680 second Duration (every second counts)

751 Spell Speed
479 Crit (7% Chance)
552 Auto Attacks
541 Burning Strikes

354 SPD
354 Crit (5%)
552 Auto Attacks
485 Burning Stikes

I think the best way to test it would indeed be by frame time, as there does seem to be something strange with the Enhanced Pet trait.

Ideally
355 SPD Test **
355 SPD Test - ** during Enhanced Pet Proc
High SPD
High SPD - during Enhanced Pet Proc

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** I say 355 SPD or whichever closest value brings you to the first tier of reduced SPD. Remember in 2.0 where going from 341 to 342 would bring you to 2.49s GCD? That's a huge jump for a single stat, so you don't want that messing with data.
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Mind you I haven't gone back to testing Garuda in this manner, but it's hard to believe that Ifrit would be effected and not her.

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Edited: Of course, probably shouldn't rule out any glitches from the parser (not picking up hits if they happen at the same time maybe?)

Well....did a quick test of my high SPD set on another PC. (the one I test on is barely capable of playing FFXIV)

Got:
200 AA
196 Burning Strikes

which equalized to my 28 minute parses is 541 Burning Strikes.

[Charybdis]

Snip

Just did my own, similar test.

http://i.imgur.com/WsQT6zo.png

http://i.imgur.com/tfCmrva.png - Buff Procc/Durations over 28:02 test for Dervy

549 CRT
727 S.SPD
1682 seconds

558 AAs
529 Burning Strikes

[Dervy]

How many Enhanced Pet Procs did you get with 5% and 7% crit?

[Charybdis]

How many Enhanced Pet Procs did you get with 5% and 7% crit?

Is there a way to tell with ACT or would you have to track it by hand?

EDIT: Figured it out. See recent post.

[ecastle2]

One thing to note about Ifrit is that his Enkindle ability applies a DoT as well as a burst hit. Perhaps it's for the sake of the DoT calculation that spell speed is used for pets?

[Sidra]

Ok - so I just went through my retainers and put on all the spell speed I could find, and with food ended up at 686 and repeated my test. I got the exact same 394 Burning Strikes over 20 minutes.

http://i.imgur.com/s01Djob.png

Here has been my testing methodology:
1.) Verify my stats then summon Ifrit
2.) Ifrit on Obey so OGCD usage doesn't impact GCD timings.
3.) Place Ifrit at target (didn't do this first time and lost 1 attack to movement). Cast Ruin 2 (so parse timer starts with Ifrit casting instead of use of his ability)
4.) type /echo end in chat log and stare at mini parse, hit "enter" on the first tick I see over 20 mins to end the parse.

Across 3 totally different Spell Speeds (354, 592, 686) I got the EXACT same 394 Burning Strikes. Also of note, then even my 354 Spell Speed test is faster than your high speed test (basically 3.05 vs 3.1 attacks per second). That could perhaps be attributed to our differing methodologies.

Additionally, if the spell speed buff we get (it's on the player not the pet) impacted the pet - the chances of it causing 3 different 20 min parses, with differing crit rates and base spell speeds, to have the exact same number of attacks would be super slim. It's much more likely it doesn't impact it at all, and out of everything we have here the only thing seemingly off is your 354 speed test. Everything else combined between the 2 of us basically shows speed having no impact.

I also find it interesting that Garuda's 10 min parse is exactly 200 attacks, while Ifrit seems to lose 3 attacks every 5 minutes if you assumed an actual 3 sec recast time. It would make no sense for them to mathematically slightly alter Ifrit's ability - I actually think that the combined animations from it's Burning Strike and Auto-attack cause a fractional delay in his ability usage which adds up over extended timeframes.

[Dervy]

24 enhanced procs
28*60 +2 = 1742s
1742/24 = 72.58333333333333 per proc

549 CRT = 11.2% Crit
= 4.43% Chance to Proc
/3 = 0.01478
1/ 0.01478 = 67.6504 seconds per theoretical proc

;D Glad that's working kinda accurately.

[Charybdis]

Dervy what data points am I collecting at this rate? Still seeing about damage and pet spell speed or does that seem like a bust? I'm getting all sorts of confused by the whip around information in the last few pages!

[Dervy]

As long as it has been verified that Spellspeed is not a factor in Ifrit/Garuda Damage Calculation, then just go and collect WD/INT/DET/CRT data whilst eliminating those pesky enhanced procs.