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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidra View Post
    Haha oh the irony. So let's just, for a second, assume that spell speed ends up being really good. The 20% spell speed increase from the pet trait is considerably more potent than what you would get from gear. But it's spawned with a crit. LOL good luck with that math.
    This math is just terrible. There's so many factors involved. XD

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidra View Post
    Also of note, Ifrit's autoattack is unaffected, meaning whatever the benefit from spell speed ends up being, Garuda will benefit more from it as it applies to nearly of her damage.
    What makes this even worse is that Ifrit has a much higher rate of maintaining the Spell Speed buff but benefits from it less while Garuda maintains less but benefits more. In the end it may even out but still that's just a mess to math out and I'm glad I'm not the one doing this lol.
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    It's a 20% chance to happen on a Crit. You have 650 Crit.

    ((650-354)/(858*5))+0.05 = 11.9% CRT

    Meaning, you have a 2.38% to get the Crit SS buff each time your pet strikes.

    I assume Pets AAs are also at 3s, at base SS of 354:

    Ifrit: 4.70% per 3s
    Garuda: 2.38% per 3s

    As for SkillSpellSpeed interaction... I cannot comment on it. I don't know how Skillspeed interacts with pets, and I may have to ask the good people at /r/math to give me a hand to create a formula.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dervy View Post
    It's a 20% chance to happen on a Crit. You have 650 Crit.

    ((650-354)/(858*5))+0.05 = 11.9% CRT

    Meaning, you have a 2.38% to get the Crit SS buff each time your pet strikes.

    I assume Pets AAs are also at 3s, at base SS of 354:

    Ifrit: 4.70% per 3s
    Garuda: 2.38% per 3s

    As for Skillspeed interaction... I cannot comment on it. I don't know how Skillspeed interacts with pets, and I may have to ask the good people at /r/math to give me a hand to create a formula.
    Skillspeed isn't an option on SMN gear. Wouldn't waste too much time on that point, you got enough to work on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidra View Post
    Skillspeed isn't an option on SMN gear. Wouldn't waste too much time on that point, you got enough to work on.
    He means Spell Speed. SPEED is all the same to Dervy, he just uses Skill/Spell interchangeably based on the job. He's talking about Spell though.
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    Skillspeed = Spellspeed. It's the same thing; You know what I mean :P
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    Dervy, that reminds me to ask, will Skill Speed actually DO anything for Summoner? Or will it JUST be Spell Speed that does? Asking for the sake of equipping gear for tests that have Skill Speed on it. I don't want to skew results.
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    If you want a little more data to possibly help you with the Speed interaction I ran a 30 minute parse with Ifrit just attacking a dummy and here's my results and my gear stats.

    792 Crit (17% Crit Rate)
    539 Spell Speed

    588 Burning Strikes
    598 Auto Attacks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecastle2 View Post
    If you want a little more data to possibly help you with the Speed interaction I ran a 30 minute parse with Ifrit just attacking a dummy and here's my results and my gear stats.

    792 Crit (17% Crit Rate)
    539 Spell Speed

    588 Burning Strikes
    598 Auto Attacks
    Nice. Just going to look at it normalized to my times as it looks like yours is 30 minutes 20 seconds.

    792 Crit (17% Crit Chance) +438 - (calculated 15.4% Crit Chance)
    539 Spell Speed + 185
    552 Auto Attacks
    542.7 Burning Strikes

    VS

    751 Spell Speed + 397
    479 Crit (7% Chance) + 125
    552 Auto Attacks
    541 Burning Strikes

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    That's interesting because I thought that Crit would effect the gains more overall VS just more SPD. Can we get a simulator just for Enhanced Pet? ;p
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 08-28-2015 at 11:51 AM.
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