dungeon helpers

[VanilleFang]

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Noooo. I just wanted to clarify as well. xD I've never really seen anything wrong with your posts on here and I generally agree with the things you post. If I disagreed with anything or w/e I would have quoted you and pointed it out. I don't really like to argue though (though debates can be pretty fun). I'm pretty bad with thinking people are tearing things apart that I say too though. Especially in the Healer Forum since the healers in this forum have so many opinions and stuff. I mean you just mention Spell Speed and you'll get teared a new one.

[Saseal]

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Ermagherdspellspeed *Tears a phone book in half*
xD

[Alisi]

(and just to further explain the situation before anyone thinks I'm one of those healers that cure when 10% of a tank's HP is gone...)

Sometimes I am that kind of healer. Sometimes. It feels more productive than jumping about in the back of the party. And yes, well, I never said I was very professional. ;P Sometimes I even will look away from my monitor, look back, and mistake that pack of mobs up there as my party and ... charge in. Very embarrassing.

[Wintersandman]

I would just reply "Have we died?"
Them "No"
Me "Then I must be doing my job"

[MicahZerrshia]

Ppl are so funny, as a healer I always dps. As a dps healers who just stand there with their thumb up their backside because no healing needs to be done annoy me. When I'm smn I make the assumption raises are mine before the healers and always raise but otherwise wont touch heals unless the need is dire.

I have only ran into one person who didn't believe I was doing my job so I told them if they think they were better suited to do it, feel free. Put my fairy away, turned on cleric stance and went pure dps. After wiping on a pull the tank and dps told that other person "Ok now are you going to let him do his job and stop whining?" At which point we all laughed, I brought back out my fairy and we finished the dungeon without incident and with me dpsing as I was before. Love that the other 2 ppl played along. It taught that lil snit a lesson, thats for sure and gave us all a good story.

[Riepah]

As SCH, I had people complaining about no Protect in level 10 hests. Nobody ever dies there, so I'd rather crossclass Cleric Stance than Protect.

[Sanguisio]

I think unless people are dying no one else should be healing

I personally don't heal unless I know the heal isnt going to be wasted, e.g. using a 1100 heal for 400 dmg

[KisaiTenshi]

You know, whenever I'm on my SCH in a lower level dungeon, I find that other players (generally DPS) think that because I'm DPSing, I must not also be healing. I'm not sure if it's because Eos doesn't show what she's doing (as in, all they see is me DPSing.) I finally asked in my last dungeon where a DPS was healing (an arcanist.) Her answer was because I wasn't, despite no one going below 90% HP at any point. I keep my fairy on obey and just fill in with phys whenever a party member's HP goes below 80% or so as needed.

So, do you diplomatically point out that you are, in fact, healing with your fairy or do you just let it slide in dungeons? Is it just not worth looking like a jerk in a dungeon group or does it not matter in the long run?

The fairy doesn't show up as a party member, so it IS difficult to tell if a SCH is doing anything in pre-30 dungeons because the SCH has no SCH-specific skills to use. Hence using DPS skills more than healing skills gives that impression. Though it should be pretty obvious that you're healing people if they aren't taking a dirt nap.

That said, it is also obvious when you aren't healing them because they won't hear the "targeting" tone or the line that shows up when a cast starts.

--- in regards to my example situation (and just to further explain the situation before anyone thinks I'm one of those healers that cure when 10% of a tank's HP is gone...) - the person could have just tossed a CSed heal and it could have been fine.

I'd rather healers not try to heal with CS on because it just makes them look incompetent. DPS'ing without CS, fine, because you might not have CS as a SCH in the cross-skill set. SCH is far far easier to do DPS and just straight up ignore healing requirements, which is partly why other players might think the healer is being lazy or incompetent.

That said, if a WHM is DPS'ing and not healing, it's VERY obvious. Because the tank will fall over in 10 seconds. SCH's Eos/Selene will never let the tank die, so the only way the tank dies with the fairy summoned is by the tank being farther than 21yalms away, or the tank standing in every AOE without stunning the boss's powerful attacks. In harder content, clearly the fairy can't solo-heal a party because you don't have control over who she targets without micromanaging.

What I find is that if you play SCH, DPS players (particularly SMN and BLM) will heal themselves more frequently than when I play WHM. That's all fine, but that just shows how inefficient healers DPS'ing really is, because it brings down the total DPS of the party if the party members are stopping DPS themselves to heal. If SMN and BLM's are doing this because they always think SCH's are incompetent, what does that really say?


As WHM, unless I get a really good tank, it's usually cure I/cure II on the Tank, and cycling to the DPS if they happen to take more than 10% damage. There's usually no possibility of DPS'ing unless the entire party is avoiding damage and not speedpulling. On SCH however it's Aldoquium/Psysick when the target has taken at least 30% damage otherwise adloquium is wasted. Eos/Selene however won't let most of the party lose that much HP. So the SCH dpsing is simply "doing something" other than standing around waiting for someone to take enough damage to actually heal efficiently. Since they can recover 20% of their MP every minute from Aetherflow, there's minimal risk in running out of MP unlike WHM.

If players are playing the dungeons like they are designed, healers would not be DPS'ing at all except when the party is taking no damage. DPS and Tanks would never heal themselves or cure themselves of debuffs if they were playing the game as designed too. But that's rarely the case. As WHM I've seen tanks cure themselves if I waited until their HP lost was enough to justify Cure II during normal pulls, but when speedpulling, I've seen more tanks wipe because they lose 6000hp in a single hit. Even Divine Seal+Medica II+Regen+Cure II doesn't recover that much damage continuously without relying on crits.

When in doubt, don't step out of your role unless you're taking ownership of the party failure for doing so. It's far easier for the healer to not DPS and just save their MP until someone needs a heal than it is for them to DPS and cause an overall net DPS loss because the DPS players think the healer is incompetent and are healing themselves. You will have people that will complain either way, so justify what you're doing instead of just letting the DPS walk over you.

[Saseal]

I'd rather healers not try to heal with CS on because it just makes them look incompetent.

It does - but I was referring that they could have done so in the very very least. But they didn't.

[AskaRay]

What I find is that if you play SCH, DPS players (particularly SMN and BLM) will heal themselves more frequently than when I play WHM. That's all fine, but that just shows how inefficient healers DPS'ing really is, because it brings down the total DPS of the party if the party members are stopping DPS themselves to heal. If SMN and BLM's are doing this because they always think SCH's are incompetent, what does that really say?

I have literally never seen this? Especially if they get to the job stage... I have seen ACN heal but usually they are new...