Coeurl & Heavensward

[Aeromat]

[Mahes]

Yuzu, Aero plz if you want to bitch about shit please make another forum.

Also Yuzu I understand what you are saying about ppl slandering your name.. there are members of your own FC that went around and did it to me.. you just have to change people's minds if you want to see peoples opinions change. You have to push your epeen aside to become more approachable from people who are new and may have only heard bad things about you. I wont deny at one point I had a massive one but I pushed it aside and in all honesty it made a massive difference in what I could tell about my issue

[Aeromat]

Yuzu, Aero plz if you want to bitch about shit please make another forum.

Ironic that you say that, Torpah.

inc wall of text, in no way a reply to anyone in particular, just a statement overall

In all honesty, Yuzu is correct in his last post. He has done nothing to explicitly piss people off. Yes, he has a strong personality at times. Yes, he does frequently promote sell runs in /shout chat. And then? What did you expect? Why not transfer to Gilga or Levi or Jenova. You'll find the same types of promotion/personalities, if not different ones as well. Yuzu doesn't sabotage runs. Lol ? where did this come from. 4/10 points for trying, whoever made that one up. Yuzu's epeen? pls. thats like, what do you even base this on? Please show me quotes and screenshots of him ever shoving his epeen down anyones throat. Yeah, here and there I see it. But its in all of us. Don't point out one's flaws just because its easier to. Because from what's observed, a majority of the time its everyone else picking on him for existing lol. I think people are just jealous at anothers success tbh. Also some are too easy to fall for obvious, harmless trollage lol.

This is not the problem. It's this idea that there's a problem when in reality there isn't and everyone's just bored because the 3.0 lul is ahead of us. Stop this unnecessary drama. All it's done is make the endgame community laugh for 1-2 days and now it's old. Your first mistake was creating this evil image of us "sellers." We are the few who get shit done. We don't try our hardest, parse high, practice frequently, use HQ food/x-pots on every encounter, craft and meld four-star gear, and bang our heads on savage coil for nothing. Ironically, our small group does go out of our way to help players (outside of sells) whenever we see fit. We occasionally join t9/primal parties as 6-7 members and clear those for players for free. We accurately answer anyone's questions on specific jobs/fights to the best of our knowledge in hopes that they use it to their advantage when they come to us. People look up to some of us and can freely send us a /tell and we will more than likely get back to them on any question, comment, or concern they have in a calm and kind manner. Shoot, just cause I feel like being nice, I've been putting myself in PF for DRG lessons when I have free time from IRL/ingame. I promise you, this is more than anyone on this post has done in the entirety of this games existence.

My point is this image about us is incorrect. This "problem" on Coeurl is nonexistant. Doesn't matter if anyone decides to stay with this fabricated image in their head, the truth is the truth and we'll settle for that, lol. If you want to help people, do it if they 1.) ask for it politely, and 2.) are open and willing to learn and not be total dead weight. Because if not, leave them. I'm not buying this lollipops, sunshine, and rainbows post at all. Things are fine the way they are. Coeurl is not empty. Just because the majority of the endgame community left =/= Coeurl is a dead and mean server. Our server is bustling with new members each day (not counting RMTs), just stand in the 3 main cities+Mor Dhona for a day and watch. I'm done. I'm going to my elitist tree with all my dreadwyrm gear that I earned from weeks of practice and months of farming while I help people any way I can and I don't feel ashamed at all! \ o / <3 xoxo

[ClaireAbigail]

well for personal reasons I dont like Yuzu, if you wanna know, im in Kobato's linkshell I can tell you there because I can't name people here. Also, i dont really know if Torpah even painted the clear sellers as bad people. All I said too was trying to get them to join this cause would be hard(so far judging from the reactions in game and in here, im right). You're right though Aero just because some people in end game left the server it doesnt mean the server is dead....but do you really wanna be the server that's like Zalera where only 0.01% clears end game content? we gotta bring people in end game somehow. let me start off by saying, I don't agree with how Torpah is doing this, how to bring people to end game I mean. It feels like shoving endgame to a person or a new comer but hey more power to him and good luck! For me, I have friends who havent even stepped into t1 yet and the only thing I can tell them is to let me know once they are ready, I'll be more than happy to help them. My point is, they should come to us so we can see their resolve and that they really wanna do it and they didnt feel like they were forced into it.
Tl;Dr: we can't really go to them, they kinda have to go to us.

[gorezilla1]

I guess apparently this thread is a joke. Before I stop posting, I should state that the only person who said coeurl is dead is a seller who transferred. I thought the point of this post was so FCs can work with each other to help. Though selling was touched on, it's not a big deal. Sure people who buy clears usually doom farm parties, i think the point was to ask sellers to also assist outside of sells which Apparently you do. More power to you. It's nice that you're teaching people who to play some classes. I don't think the point was to make sure everyone would coil. It was to make sure that those who wanted to, could. If you think it's pathetic, that is unfortunate. However, I've met and assisted a few people thanks to this thread and that, I think counts for something. However, the point that was being made is negated when you take 6-7 people and "carry" the one player. I think we should go in and give feedback. But when you take a full party to clear one person, at the end of the day, there's nothing to learn. Because you'll 100% assure victory.

I think it's a little conceited for anyone to find this post to be solely an attack against run-sellers. Even on of my FC members sell frequently. No matter what happens, people will always want to buy runs. if they can't buy them on coeurl, they'll transfer. We are aware of this. I'm just reiterating that we didn't know sellers also assisted. But That was made clear about 4 pages ago. And we've moved on. Anyways, real solutions haven't been posted in a while. Before I stop, I'd like to thank Kobato and Skye for inviting me to their LSes. I look forward to helping however I can.

[Mahes]

At this point I'm with Aleister and done with this post completely.. for those who may see this and agree with what i am trying to get accomplished pm me ingame, for anyone of I offend I'm sorry you couldn't see what my ultimate goal was, but I wish the best of luck to everyone ingame and irl. Good Luck with your Heavensward Content.

Thank You Skye and Kobato for the invites to yall ls' as well.

[PariSexus]

Oh Torpy, If I got hate messages for doing a lotto and non end game related activities; I can't even begin to imagine the amounts that you got for trying to get this off the ground. Sometimes people's irrationality and unkind messages make no sense. This was super ambitious but it seems the motivation and enthusiasm were in the right place. Bummer it didn't work out.

[Aeromat]

I could give you concrete examples as to why you're wrong Aleister, but I'm not going to because it's useless to even try to reason with you people when you've already decided that you're right and nothing I, nor anyone else, say or do can change that.

Also for reference, we cleared t5 for someone in PF today who held their own and was patient enough to learn. We told them to watch a video for t9 before we go in and help them there later, which is what we have been doing a majority of the time we do free runs. Good job on being misinformed though.

[gorezilla1]

That's nice an all and I guess I'm wrong. But my point is that if you as geared as you are, you can 6 man t9 and 5 man t5. So if you go assist one person who keeps dying, you won't wipe because of him. You'll get him his clear and said person won't learn. I'm glad you see it as a "you people" mentally. I'm also glad you find me ignorant. You were the one who said you took 6-7 people in. I didn't assume that. However, it would seem I'm a lost cause in your eyes which I guess is fair. If you look through my posts you'll find that I am happy to apologize when I'm wrong. I don't even care if people do free runs. All I've said towards that issue was to remember to assist people. And you stated you do, so bully for you. Regardless, don't let what I say stop you from helping. If you are indeed as generous as you claim, the server could use more of you. Anywho, have a pleasant week.

This didn't need to devolve to an "us vs them" situation. It was more of ways to unite the server but it seems to have only splintered us. Just remember, it's not like there are factions of people. We may not agree ideologically, but that is the point of compromise. Some people don't like sells, and some do. I used to sell runs and I think it was less than 4 months ago I still was invited with Yuzu. I have no negative words against people for choosing to sell. Crafters Jack up prices and you need a source of income so you use your talent. Someone else said it would be tough (not impossible) to get sellers to help. But no one said you should stop. When Yuzu said he wouldn't be stopping, it wasn't seen as a crime. Even Kobato explained that there is no reason to stop. I had never heard of Yuzu sabotaging runs until this morning on this thread and I take it to be false. I have heard you Aero, and you made a valid point. But The conclusion I came to was from the information YOU gave me. I really don't know what you do with you free time or if you help. I also don't know that you don't help. And even if you do not help (though you already said you do), it wouldn't matter. You pay $13-$15 a month and you're aren't obligated to do anything that would diminish your fun. However you look at it, I'm not the enemy you think I am. We may not be friends, but I don't find you to me my enemy. It's unfortunate that Yuzu got slandered but just in case I'll clear the air: it wasn't by me or my fc mates. The point was to ask people to help, but not carry. That is all.

[Mahes]

I had never heard of Yuzu sabotaging runs until this morning on this thread and I take it to be false.

I am in the same boat with Aleister here. I have heard people say bad things about Yuzu and you but I know people say bad things about me to. If things get said in any party and I am the leader of it I do tell them to talk about it somewhere else. We cannot change the way others view us if others don't care to see the changes that have been made.