Square, if youre going to ban Gil buyers, give them a PERMANENT ban

[Radkat]

Gil is easy to make in this game, why buy it?

Gross incompetence, laziness, excuses (I don't want to grind, I paid to have fun) etc. You name it.

[DoctorPepper]

It is a simple matter for SE to trace gilsellers from bot accounts who send large amounts of gil to seller accounts who send gil to regular players. They have no problem banning the bots and the sellers, but they have been reluctant to ban the buyers so far.

Except it's not a simple matter at all, by that logic if a gilseller sends a large amount of gil to a character who didn't purchase gil by accident they will be banned. This could occur because the person who actually bought the gil made a mistake while entering their character name or even selected the wrong server.

Additionally, if somebody really doesn't like another player in game all they have to do is buy that character some gil and they'll be permanently banned. $50 to see somebody you hate disappear isn't a lot of money to some people.

Banning the buyers is not a feasible solution, which is why I don't think it will ever happen. Too much liability and things that can go wrong if they start doing that.

As far as I can tell, they've only been banning bots and rmt spammers, and even most of the bots get away with it.

[Radkat]

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No, banning buyers is definitely feasible. Those caught the first time can be given a warning and the gil received wiped out. He will have a chance to plead his case. So the next time he receives gil again without buying, he will know not to accept it, or report to a GM immediately.

And come on, the chances of these cases happening are pretty rare.

[DoctorPepper]

No, banning buyers is definitely feasible. Those caught the first time can be given a warning and the gil received wiped out. He will have a chance to plead his case. So the next time he receives gil again without buying, he will know not to accept it, or report to a GM immediately.

And come on, the chances of these cases happening are pretty rare.

So what if I don't like you in game? I just have to spend $50 on gil twice and you disappear?

Give me a break, there is no way you can prove somebody bought gil, short of them saying within in game chat that they bought gil.

If you want to trust everybody who plays this game that's great, but I've seen enough malicious crap in my time to know better.

[Radkat]

@DoctorPepper

Didn't you read my post? Read it again!

[DoctorPepper]

@DoctorPepper

Didn't you read my post? Read it again!

Yes I read your post and your idea is still flawed in my opinion, doesn't matter how many "warnings" you get. Buying gil is a service that SE has no control over and ANYBODY can buy gil for anybody else. So with that in mind, there is no way to prove somebody buys gil.

Reporting that you received a large amount of gil by mistake will only get you so far. I see spam advertising prices like $1/million or less. The $50 value I gave was an example but in reality somebody could harass you for a long time with $50 because if they are banning buyers they would have to ban them regardless of the amount received or people would just bypass it by buying small amounts.

Don't get me wrong, I don't support the buyers or the sellers. I just don't think that there is enough evidence to prove somebody buys gil because they received gil from rmt. So go ahead and ban buyers who say they're buying with in game chat but good luck getting the buyers to say something about it in game.

[Daranion]

Or you reread again and see that you're not forced to accept the gil. So really, your idea is flawed

[MirielleLavandre]

Interesting conversations here. I think what DoctorPepper is saying is this: SE can rightfully ban bots and RMT spamming characters because all of the actions bots and such do are done within SE's servers and are thus able to be monitored, sorted, parsed, have metrics done on, whatever. The actual act of buying gil via a RMT website is completely outside of SE's ability to police or monitor, and thus they can never prove that the person receiving gil ever actually committed the act of buying it themselves. It would be poor PR for SE to consider paying customers as guilty before proven innocent, not to mention the overhead such monitoring and litigation with irate customers would cost.

Personally, I think buying gil in a game that doesn't even require it to have the best gear is foolhardy, but realistically, SE can't ever prove the 'illegal act' was ever done by the receiver of gil.

[Aryalandi]

Would have to be pretty spiteful to waste anout $100 just to get another person banned.. spiteful and financially secure.

Perma-banning people who buy gil is really the best solution as it would make people more reluctant to put their account at risk. No clients = less people selling on xiv, on FFXI i cannot honestly remember a single time I ever got rmt messages until the game fell in to decline, after which I would just report the sellers and then stand there and watch them get the red ball of death and vanish as i got my automated thank you letter from SE. That was nice, felt like making a difference all 59 times on my af blue mage rmt hunter :3

There needs to be more co-operation like that between the task force and players, and a larger group to make that happen

[Radkat]

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First of all, buying gil is not a 'service''. Sure, anybody can buy gil for anyone, but are you really dumb enough to accept large amounts gil from players you don't know? Even if you are, you will get a warning first and a GM will educate you about accepting gil from suspicious sources If you accept gil from gilsellers before sending them to me, then SE can easily tell that both you and me are regular players from our records, so you will be the one that gets banned, not me.

THere is no need to defend gilbuyers that hard. Just don't buy gil and you won't have anything to worry about.