I don't want to use parsers

[alsims2007]

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I recently only do learning parties that often become clear parties then I drop out. I've cleared everything so it was either that or quit till expansion. So yeah I'll jump in a party and help people learn their class. I dont need to farm. I rather teach a new tank so I don't have to sit in a que for an hour. I rather teach a dps so it doesn't take an hour to clear a dungeon. Plus as I mentioned it gives me something to do.

How often do you actually "smooth farm" without a pre-made group of people you know anyway? I bet the few times you have it was likely the other players were together and needed an extra.

[Crescent_Dusk]

I recently only do learning parties that often become clear parties then I drop out. I've cleared everything so it was either that or quit till expansion. So yeah I'll jump in a party and help people learn their class. I dont need to farm. I rather teach a new tank so I don't have to sit in a que for an hour. I rather teach a dps so it doesn't take an hour to clear a dungeon. Plus as I mentioned it gives me something to do.

How often do you actually "smooth farm" without a pre-made group of people you know anyway? I bet the few times you have it was likely the other players were together and needed an extra.

Most of the PF parties I've had smooth farm, and they weren't players who were together. The point about farm is that you've done the fight so much for the gear you want that it becomes second nature.

I've done clear parties as well, nothing wrong with them. There's nothing wrong with doing activities so long as it is communicated to people what to expect.

The problem is when you communicate your expectations and people outright disregard them and think they can get away with it.

[Boss_Koivula]

Lately it has felt like the quality of "farm parties" has gone down ever since echo was put into FCOB. Now everyone and their mother seems to go in and try to get carried to victory. When you see people with i130 doing +/-300 dps you start to question how did they even get trough T9. And god forbid if you try to ask about their rotation or tell them some tips which might help not only the person in question, but also the group for much more smooth runs. It's always the ego that gets in the way in 90% of these cases. "I play like the way I want. Shut up."

Atleast if we had a personal parser and people could see how low their numbers are compared to some top players, they could actually strive to improve by themselves, instead of their ego getting in the way when someone tries to help them.

[SunnyHirose]

Hm, simply refreshing medica II sounds like a genius plan.

I'd probably do that if I could get away with it ^^ After all, the vast majority of fights have a joke amount of healing going out (if mechanics are done correctly).

Ah, jokes have been made before, and they will continue to be made I'm sure.

[Cynfael]

It's always the ego that gets in the way in 90% of these cases. "I play like the way I want. Shut up.".

There should be an auto-translate entry for "Kindly refrain from offering suggestions. I enjoy playing poorly and would like you to make up for my lack of effort."

[Velo_Vandore]

I think the best way to implement a parser, if it's truly for the players own benefit, is in a training dummy type situation, rather than actual content.

My FC raid and have a great time, but when the DPS is low, we don't need to know who is failing hardest. We just keep trying and eventually succeed. I would hate to have any one player in the group suddenly have to face being the lowest DPS on the scoreboard after every fight. That would be demoralizing and take the fun out of it for any player. Bear in mind that even a good DPS could end up being last in the group all the time due to a great group.

On the other hand it would be great to be able to work on a training dummy and see how much you can improve DPS. If you feel like sharing then you can with your friends and then work out ways to improve.

There are some people in the FC who I can tell (by playing with a lot, their aggro compared to others, and watching / hearing about their little tricks / ideas) have great DPS. They don't care that we are failing and bitch at the other DPS - they love pushing their self that bit further to compensate. That's the mentality I respect from elite gamers, not getting pissy about having to work harder because of 'noobs' and 'casuals'. They enjoy pushing / challenging themselves and respect others who don't want to / can't easily do the same.

If you don't share that mentality, there are many players like you who want each player in the group to pull their weight. Keep working on building your static, and hopefully you'll soon have no worries, but I don't want to see parsers in the dungeons / raids.

[pandabearcat]

Then don't use parsers.

This isn't like, omg, he's got a parser and he's not afraid to use it, he's trampling my rights!

This is just like the gay marriage debate. Gay marriage is gonna destroy your christian marriage! Oh lawdie save me! [please note this is not a political/religious statement. It is a statement on the fallacy of that particular argument]

...etc.

You don't want it, don't use it. You don't care for people using it in your static/pug, then fine, kick them, leave, ignore them, don't invite them in the first place, etc.

But the existence of it isn't going to somehow destroy your way of life.

[alsims2007]

The problem is when you communicate your expectations and people outright disregard them and think they can get away with it.

I understand and respect that. To common someone uses a previous carry to join a farm party. I wish paying for a clear actually brands a player whenever they attempt to enter the content. We had a guy brag that he cleared t13, but he actually paid for the clear. No respect for those that put in the work pre echo.
I rather deal with people that suck and are at least trying to clear content rather than someone that claims gil bought them skills.
Sorry getting off topic, that's my rant for today

[pandabearcat]

Theres nothing wrong with buying clears. I want to see content, I don't want to grind gear. Doesn't affect you in any way. If they brag, just ignore them. Its not a witchhunt though, if you let them bother you or rant about it you're just feeding a troll.

Think about it this way, the people that can clear it (even carrying someone) gets gil, the person that wants for whatever reason to buy a clear gets their clear. A definite win-win. No need to attach meaning to everything someone does. Don't judge.

[Crescent_Dusk]

Well, sometimes people buying carries aren't even bad players. They just either don't have the time to join competent raid groups or haven't found one yet and don't want to go through the hassle of being held back forever by bad PuGs.

But yeah, if you buy a clear and it was obvious you were carried, don't go joining farm parties until you get more practice. You'll get blacklisted anyways and then you've wasted your gil.