I don't want to use parsers

[Havenchild]

Also, if someone isn't doing enough DPS for raid content, and they don't care about it, then yes... You could kick them.

Only reason you don't see people pointing out DPS of others, is because they could get banned for doing it, but trust me... if someone is doing way too low DPS, they will get kicked, or people will simply leave the group (usually the latter one).

The positives of adding an in-game parser heavily outweighs the negatives IMO.

This 100%. Let's cut the bs already. People need to grow a backbone on this argument against parsers.

You don't have to use a parser, but if you're struggling to clear the content due to a DPS check? You deserve to keep failing due to your mentality that the parser is the problem not the people using them for negative means.

Trust me, if the actual good players are using parsers and they see people under performing considerably, they don't need to mention you're doing bad and won't because it's against ToS. You will instead be ostracized unknowingly by members of the community and continue to struggle and move from party to party. Your name will get tarnished among the actual good players and less of them will be inclined to take you or run with you. Let's stop acting like this doesn't happen already because it does daily.

Then when you have the actual good player try to voice their concern and help those under performing? So many times are we insulted with this bravado that they "know what they are doing". Clearly you don't because you are doing poorly. This, along with the nerfing of content meant to be difficult, is breeding bad DPS because ultimately they have no metric to answer to. They have no REASON to perform well and can instead remain in ignorance while others carry them.

Just the other day, I ran with a NIN and a DRG in T10 alongside a BRD friend of mine. Both that NIN and DRG WITH ECHO, are doing barely 300 DPS. If it wasn't for myself and the BRD and the SCH who were all out damaging these players, we likely wouldn't have cleared this content and this is the cesspool you will deal with on DF and even PF.

It's time people stop blaming the tool for the problem and not the people who are using it for bad means. I believe someone before said here, you can use a hammer for two purposes.

It can be used to make great buildings and constructs which will create jobs and stimulate growth universally, or it can be used as a tool of murder. Does that mean we should ban the use of hammers in daily life because people can murder with them?

Grow up already people.

[juniglee]

You can't use enmity bars due to its inaccuracy.

You can have your top DPS doing 200 DPS in T10 with echo, and your tank is able to just keep aggro, and it will make it look as though everyone else is doing fine in comparison, when in reality because your top DPS is only dealing 200 DPS, you are not passing any of the DPS checks, and the entire floor gets covered with electricity by Phase 4.

[Cynfael]

Snip.

I wish more people would adopt this viewpoint. Perhaps if players performing poorly as DPS were better able to quantify their output and that of their peers, they might start to wonder why they aren't in the ballpark of similarly-geared players of the same Job.

I'd rather have parsers be more widely and officially available to help promote self-realization of the need to improve. People are notoriously unreceptive even to the best-intentioned help and seem to do better if "getting good" is their own idea.

[alsims2007]

I've never needed a parser to inform a player that their rotation is off. That provoke doesn't do what they think it does. Things that a parser doesn't tell you with numbers. Parsers wouldn't be bad if more people would help others rather than use it to see who sucks.

We need individual an parser so they can help themselves.

[Edellis]

i get why people use it but I really dont care that it's not a function of the game. As a competitive fighting game player, there's this really odd feeling when someone decides to judge players based on DPS parsing. It just makes me default to indifference and want to let them know how easy this game is.

On the other hand, this game is also alot like League of Legends where individual skill really has alot less to to do with the bigger picture of why you're winning or losing than you may like to think. You're only 1/8th of your team, and although you may be the best DPS parser in Narnia or the best healer in Mordor, a shitty player who doesn't do mechanics will wipe all 4 DPS, both healers and both tanks every single time.

So i really don't care. If I want to rage at idiots for making me lose at a videogame, i'll play League of Legends. If i want to feel like my individual skill matters, ill pop in GGXRD or Tekken. If I just want to try to get gear in a casually challenging MMO, i'll play FFXIV.


If you play that class and can give pointers, go for it. But if they reject pointers or are just incompetent, oh well, welcome to team-based online play. Gone are the days I can tell my friends they suck to their faces. There's this thing about online gaming where the ego is everything and people are personally offended when you suggest they aren't playing as good as they think they are.

[Alphras]

Let's face it. There are parsers for this game, they are easily available, widely used and wont go away anymore. Yes there will be disciplinary measures if you use them to harass people, but that is not specific to parsing. You will receive the same measures if you harass players because of other other reasons.

At this point, not having one offered from an official source just puts console players at a disadvantage.

[Lamia-Blackheart]

for those people that like to check the aggro bar as a gauge for dps, keep in mind (especially in this thread) that summoners can pull off decent numbers and still be low on the aggro list.

[Crescent_Dusk]

I've never needed a parser to inform a player that their rotation is off. That provoke doesn't do what they think it does. Things that a parser doesn't tell you with numbers. Parsers wouldn't be bad if more people would help others rather than use it to see who sucks.We need individual an parser so they can help themselves.

I'm sorry, but when you join a farm run you do so with the expectation of smooth farming. It can take up to an hour to fill up a party sometimes and the last thing you want to do once you get that T11 started is explain to someone why 275 DPS in 120+ ilv is NOT acceptable.

The problem is people FOIST themselves on others and expect them to carry them through content. And they don't want parsers because parsers reveal what is going on.

I mean, if you're doing 400 DPS on any of the final coils, you're not doing great DPS, but I doubt people are going to berate you for it. When people get upset is at some guy in full augmented ironworks who's spent more time farming poetics for months rather than learning to play the class, because when a 116 monk is putting out 560+ DPS while the nearby dragoon or ninja with a zeta weapon in almost full 130 gear is putting out 380 DPS, that's a great source of annoyance.

Anyone can put in an effort and prepare and learn. Many just don't want to. And then they come unprepared and waste everybody's time wiping the party due to prolonged fights.

And then those players who you carried, rather heavily, end up winning items that are basically wasted on them because it's not like they're gonna put them to good use.

[Sanguisio]

I fully agree with havenchild.

I would also like to see something for healers, that amount of times I've had to carry horredous healers who just refresh medica 2 is stupid.

I have no issues if you are learning the fight and you might make a mistake or whatever. That is cool because you are trying but laziness is another thing and is the quickest way to my BL.

[pandabearcat]

Hm, simply refreshing medica II sounds like a genius plan.

I'd probably do that if I could get away with it ^^ After all, the vast majority of fights have a joke amount of healing going out (if mechanics are done correctly).