I don't want to use parsers

[The_Last_Dragoon]

The problem with Parsers is that certain jobs will absolutely do more dps than others given different situations. It's not right if the introduction of a parser leads to players forcing out certain classes because god forbid they can't do as much damage as a Monk with a stationary target. No, in fact I'm pretty sure that the introduction of an in-client Parser will only lead to arguments over players who aren't putting out the numbers. There's a reason why Bards can't do the same damage as a Monk and honestly, I'd be appalled if they changed the game so that they could.

[m3eansean]

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Anyone who is really worth playing with at all already knows the job differences in dps potential and no one is asking for devs to make all classes same dps output. Also, please assume half your party is already using a "pen and paper" to check things, so many players already know these things.

[Jamein]

The problem with Parsers is that certain jobs will absolutely do more dps than others given different situations. It's not right if the introduction of a parser leads to players forcing out certain classes because god forbid they can't do as much damage as a Monk with a stationary target. No, in fact I'm pretty sure that the introduction of an in-client Parser will only lead to arguments over players who aren't putting out the numbers. There's a reason why Bards can't do the same damage as a Monk and honestly, I'd be appalled if they changed the game so that they could.

That argument just falls so short, classes are pretty well balanced in this game and the only reason to take one of the other is raid utility (Dragon kick/Peircing debuff/songs/extra res/more burst/goad/trick attack)


Not to mention a bad dragoon will never outparse a good monk, and vice versa. It doesn't come down to the class in this game in terms of DPS so players won't be forced to play a certain class, if both the dragoon and monk in your party are going all out and maxing out their dps and the dragoon parses 10-20 above the monk, no one is going to get annoyed or care, if however the dragoon is parsing 350 and the monk is parsing 600 then you know full well it isn't a class issue, it's a player issue and that's the information a parser provides.

[Craiger]

That argument just falls so short, classes are pretty well balanced in this game and the only reason to take one of the other is raid utility (Dragon kick/Peircing debuff/songs/extra res/more burst/goad/trick attack)


Not to mention a bad dragoon will never outparse a good monk, and vice versa. It doesn't come down to the class in this game in terms of DPS so players won't be forced to play a certain class, if both the dragoon and monk in your party are going all out and maxing out their dps and the dragoon parses 10-20 above the monk, no one is going to get annoyed or care, if however the dragoon is parsing 350 and the monk is parsing 600 then you know full well it isn't a class issue, it's a player issue and that's the information a parser provides.

Also, if someone doesn't want a BLM, SMN or whatever, because they can't get as high DPS as MNK, NIN and DRG, then why would you even want to be in their group to begin with? They really don't know anything about the game then...

For easy content, nobody would care, and for Coil and Alexander in the expansion, the people who are doing it, probably knows about all the differences and balancing of the jobs... and if they don't for some reason, don't join them, they suck anyways.

If you look at the whole FFXIV community, then maybe the ratio of players using parsers isn't very high, but if you look at the players doing raid content, it's pretty damn high... and the ones who doesn't have it, are mostly on consoles. It's not like people have no idea how much DPS different jobs can produce.

[randysquirrel]

The problem with Parsers is that certain jobs will absolutely do more dps than others

I don't think anyone will be like "hey that BRD is being out-dpsed by the NIN, kick pls"
imo your post just sounds like more spurious reasoning trying to justify them not implementing a parser, by scaremongering with scenarios that wouldn't really happen anyway.

Most of us are aware that the roles are not "equal" and shine in different situations, eg melee single target, BLM aoe, BRD support, there is more to consider than just the dps number

PS if anyone should be kicked out of a party for such a reason, you are better off out of it