I don't want to use parsers

[MirielleLavandre]

I don't think people advocating for a parser want to use it to abuse others or shun them, I'd hope. Personally, if I'm on NIN or BRD, I LOVE knowing my numbers so ask for them so I can compare myself to others and find out if I am pulling my weight and how i can get better. I found out I was a lil low on NIN, and that prompted me to look at how I play and change some things in my rotation to get up to par with where I thought I should be. On WHM, I can tell without a parser, really when a dps is doing low, and even account for them having to avoid AoE (melee) or sing (bard). It is especially obvious if they request huge pulls but those pulls take 2/3 of my MP due to how long they take to down.

I think a parser is a tool people would use to better themselves, even though a few mean ones would abuse it to call out bad dps. Also, I'll add that I don't think parsers even really have a place in content you're doing with PUGs, and therefore, like someone said maybe should only be given for pre-made groups. If you're with pugs, there should be no expectation of optimal performance, I'd think, rather just casual clears ^^

[Dererk]

No in a way they do use it to shun people because they use it as an excuse to block the good console players by using their own PC master race mentality.

[pandabearcat]

How do you block good console players by looking at their dps...? If they do well on console all the more power to them. If they suck then...they suck, doesn't matter if its console or pc.

As for why its not allowed, its not allowed technically because its a 3rd party tool.

SE doesn't care at all about parsers. There is, however, also no reason for them to create an inhouse one. No mmo has one, and theres no point. It'll arrive when addons arrive. So...this discussion is kinda moot.

[Tiva]

If you guys support the allowance of parsers, please consider heading to the "User Interface" subfourum and showing support in my thread about Addons in Heavensward. The most likely addition of DPS meters in game will come through addons! But if the devs don't believe players WANT ADDONS they may never work on getting this implemented! Please show your support of DPS parsers and other addons!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...vensward/page2

[Waliel]

I'd say that 120 DPS is around freshly dinged 50 in full AF gear or so.

I now got this sudden urge to go and test that with a GC weapon. Maybe tomorrow.

So for funzies i went and tested with that. The weapon is 1h i55 GC. I got 188.55 DPS on a 3:31 parse ending on B3, only 1x RS for opener and no auto-attacks.

Important tests. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Steady]

In the early days of my FCOB static, there were times where I was beating 1-2 dps during runs on my warrior, in part because I had full pentamelds and they were still gearing up. We didn't kick and remake our static.... rather our dps stepped up over time and continue to do better and better.

[NovaLevossida]

People will be assholes, parsers or not. The world isn't instantly a better place because we do not have parsers. We're basically not being given a feature because people will feel other "bad" people will call them out, which they already do, so the whole idea is redundant.

This is like saying there are bad people outside, better stay inside. The argument is old and doesn't hold ground anymore.

I never used it as an argument to dismiss the existence of parsers and even pointed out the benefits of them, so it's not my concern whether or not it "holds ground" at all.

[FreyrPrime]

Evidence has shown that access to a parser doesn't improve the vast majority of a player base. Bad players will continue to be bad, despite evidence showing just how bad they truly are.

If nothing else, World of Warcraft is an excellent example of this. Addons are almost universally embraced by that community, and people STILL pull garbage dps. People have had access to parsers in WoW since Vanilla, that's ten years of garbage players not improving despite access to a resource that explains, IN DETAIL, how garbage they really are.

In fact, that's my point entirely, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. There are VOLUMES written on optimal gearing, stat weights, theorycrafting, rotation, openers etc etc.. Some people spend countless hours providing knowledge to players who will never read it. If a bad player wants to improve, the knowledge is there for them, and if they don't? No amount of in-game resources will change that.

[Malevicton]

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The people who refuse to improve will continue to do so, but if you are trying to improve then parsers are very helpful. It's one thing to do your research and another thing entirely to see how well you can apply it.

Also, while this is just based on my personal experience, I've seen a lot of people in this game who do just seem genuinely confused. Adding parsers definitely wouldn't magically make everyone care, but I think there's a decently sized group of people in this game who would care if they weren't blissfully unaware of how bad they're doing (maybe since this is marketed towards 1st time MMO players, or maybe my experiences just aren't indicative of the majority, who knows). Either way, it's always helpful for the people who are actively trying to improve. If it happens to encourage other people to try harder then I consider that a bonus.

[pandabearcat]

Yesss, this game is like vanilla wow in that noone knew what they were doing, everything worth doing was painstakingly difficult (simply for the sake of being difficult) and nothing was known so everyone's just groping in the dark.

Parsers would be a pretty big light in the darkness for all of us.