I don't want to use parsers

[SDaemon]

If you are the type of person that is against parsers all that tells me is you are probably the same person that really needs one.

And this tells me you are probably the same person those against parsers worry will abuse it.

[pandabearcat]

Even if that were the case, the argument is basically...

Oh no, someone is being a jerk about parsers, I guess there's nothing I can do, oh wait, I'll just block him.

vs.

Oh no, we have no clue what is going on in the combat log, and no definitive way to improve our dps or get an objective rating of our performance, oh wait we can...either do something that is against ToS or cry in a corner...?

Yea.

[MirielleLavandre]

And as someone said before earlier. People are so quick to call out tanks and healers if they are bad but heaven forbid we call out dps? How is that fair? Especially if the people trying to call out tanks and healers are bad themselves i'd like to know that info.

*Laughs* I can attest to this... all I can say is that there was a BLM in WoD who was raging at me because he stood in AoE and died before I had a chance to run across the room to heal him, and one of my FC mates in the run with me told me he was parsing something around 120dps for the whole five headed dragon fight and the first boss, as well. I'm assuming that is really bad since they all laughed about it. Yes, it isn't fair healers and tanks can be raged at but 'oh no, we can't hurt the sub-par dps' peoples' feelings...

[Cynfael]

*Laughs* I can attest to this... all I can say is that there was a BLM in WoD who was raging at me because he stood in AoE and died before I had a chance to run across the room to heal him, and one of my FC mates in the run with me told me he was parsing something around 120dps for the whole five headed dragon fight and the first boss, as well. I'm assuming that is really bad since they all laughed about it. Yes, it isn't fair healers and tanks can be raged at but 'oh no, we can't hurt the sub-par dps' peoples' feelings...

I fully agree with that train of thought.

And yes, 120 is absolutely in need of improvement; it's almost unbelievably bad. Just about the only way to be that low in that fight, considering the minimum ilvl requirement, is to spend most of it on the floor or AFK. If this player was actively playing the entire time and still put out that number, then there's a case for needing parsers :P I seriously doubt that they are aware of how much they could improve.

[Bloody]

To add to Cynfael's point, a "decent" paladin tank with i125-130 should be putting out 170ish DPS. Decent Blm should put out 300-400, and good ones push 450+ depending on the fight and presence/lack of echo. 120 is a DPS rate achieved by people below lvl 50, let alone ilvl 90...... A friend of mine went into DF t6 a few months ago and he was out-DPSing the other two Blm combined. I think it is a combination of ignorance and apathy.

Do parsers get abused? Without a doubt. Are parsers a great way to inspire improvement and see if people are trying to get carried? Also without a doubt. A parser is a tool, it all depends on how you use it, just like any other tool. A gun can be used to kill in cold blood, or to protect people. There are millions more examples. Pick your favorite.

[Waliel]

I'd say that 120 DPS is around freshly dinged 50 in full AF gear or so.

I now got this sudden urge to go and test that with a GC weapon. Maybe tomorrow.

[MirielleLavandre]

Lol - 120 is what I was told. Though, from what I remember of the fight, the BLM may have been afk the whole time and only getting killed by AoE woke him up enough to complain about heals... I've seen worse in WoD (like people dying in first few seconds on purpose and respawning to be locked out and saying "Oops!" while they sit at the entrance the entire fight.... >.>

[XiXiQ]

A private in-game parser is the way to go. For a start, it could be far more accurate than any add-ons PC users have. A summary provided after each battle to the user alone, they can share or not at their discretion. Just as it is now, if anyone is measuring your DPS then using it against you, you are free to report them.

[Jikillia]

it wouldn't be bad, i think that people can 'choose' to show their parsers. good players pushing their dps high enough shouldn't have any trouble letting others know and those who aren't can look at their parsers as a guideline on whether they need improvements or not. Otherwise, yes it does open for more abusive trolls to roll in.

[alsims2007]

What your looking for is the reason why parsers aren't allowed. The data should be used to help people get better not to see who isn't doing their job.

I'll agree that dps is the only role that can be hidden if they are doing a completely terrible job So maybe a personal parser would help, or maybe a parser that only the leader of a preformed party can see, or maybe if it's preformed allow everyone to see. random people parsing everyone seems bad.I don't think there is enough benefit to outweigh the harassment the more casual players will get.

Thing is dps cant just read skills and do max dps. There are optimal rotations that a casual player would likely never strive for but that applies to more than just dps. I've seen off tanks that only autoattack or healers that have ungodly overheal percents but the content was cleared right so no problem right? Well no. They can play suboptimal and all is well if you clear but the terrible dps would be shunned regardless of the clear.