I don't want to use parsers

[Asierid]

I dislike the idea of parsers because people are terrible in general and use them as a means for unwarranted hostility rather than improvement. These are the same intolerable people who make DF groups disband because they lack social skills and tact. Parsers just give them ammo unfortunately.

People will be assholes, parsers or not. The world isn't instantly a better place because we do not have parsers. We're basically not being given a feature because people will feel other "bad" people will call them out, which they already do, so the whole idea is redundant.

This is like saying there are bad people outside, better stay inside. The argument is old and doesn't hold ground anymore.

[NovaLevossida]

People will be assholes, parsers or not. The world isn't instantly a better place because we do not have parsers. We're basically not being given a feature because people will feel other "bad" people will call them out, which they already do, so the whole idea is redundant.

This is like saying there are bad people outside, better stay inside. The argument is old and doesn't hold ground anymore.

I never used it as an argument to dismiss the existence of parsers and even pointed out the benefits of them, so it's not my concern whether or not it "holds ground" at all.

[FreyrPrime]

Evidence has shown that access to a parser doesn't improve the vast majority of a player base. Bad players will continue to be bad, despite evidence showing just how bad they truly are.

If nothing else, World of Warcraft is an excellent example of this. Addons are almost universally embraced by that community, and people STILL pull garbage dps. People have had access to parsers in WoW since Vanilla, that's ten years of garbage players not improving despite access to a resource that explains, IN DETAIL, how garbage they really are.

In fact, that's my point entirely, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. There are VOLUMES written on optimal gearing, stat weights, theorycrafting, rotation, openers etc etc.. Some people spend countless hours providing knowledge to players who will never read it. If a bad player wants to improve, the knowledge is there for them, and if they don't? No amount of in-game resources will change that.

[Malevicton]

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The people who refuse to improve will continue to do so, but if you are trying to improve then parsers are very helpful. It's one thing to do your research and another thing entirely to see how well you can apply it.

Also, while this is just based on my personal experience, I've seen a lot of people in this game who do just seem genuinely confused. Adding parsers definitely wouldn't magically make everyone care, but I think there's a decently sized group of people in this game who would care if they weren't blissfully unaware of how bad they're doing (maybe since this is marketed towards 1st time MMO players, or maybe my experiences just aren't indicative of the majority, who knows). Either way, it's always helpful for the people who are actively trying to improve. If it happens to encourage other people to try harder then I consider that a bonus.

[Zaft]

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The difference is that in WoW, you can be called out for being garbage. On FFXIV, we're not allowed to hurt your feelings, lest we risk the wrath of the GMs.

I was doing a PUG Mythic Highmaul a few days back. We were wiping because we weren't being healed through the AoE phases. Check the parse, noticed two of the healers were playing terribly, replaced them, beat it. Wow, whodathunkit.