I don't want to use parsers

[Waliel]

I'd say that 120 DPS is around freshly dinged 50 in full AF gear or so.

I now got this sudden urge to go and test that with a GC weapon. Maybe tomorrow.

So for funzies i went and tested with that. The weapon is 1h i55 GC. I got 188.55 DPS on a 3:31 parse ending on B3, only 1x RS for opener and no auto-attacks.

Important tests. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[MirielleLavandre]

Lol - 120 is what I was told. Though, from what I remember of the fight, the BLM may have been afk the whole time and only getting killed by AoE woke him up enough to complain about heals... I've seen worse in WoD (like people dying in first few seconds on purpose and respawning to be locked out and saying "Oops!" while they sit at the entrance the entire fight.... >.>

[XiXiQ]

A private in-game parser is the way to go. For a start, it could be far more accurate than any add-ons PC users have. A summary provided after each battle to the user alone, they can share or not at their discretion. Just as it is now, if anyone is measuring your DPS then using it against you, you are free to report them.

[Jikillia]

it wouldn't be bad, i think that people can 'choose' to show their parsers. good players pushing their dps high enough shouldn't have any trouble letting others know and those who aren't can look at their parsers as a guideline on whether they need improvements or not. Otherwise, yes it does open for more abusive trolls to roll in.

[alsims2007]

What your looking for is the reason why parsers aren't allowed. The data should be used to help people get better not to see who isn't doing their job.

I'll agree that dps is the only role that can be hidden if they are doing a completely terrible job So maybe a personal parser would help, or maybe a parser that only the leader of a preformed party can see, or maybe if it's preformed allow everyone to see. random people parsing everyone seems bad.I don't think there is enough benefit to outweigh the harassment the more casual players will get.

Thing is dps cant just read skills and do max dps. There are optimal rotations that a casual player would likely never strive for but that applies to more than just dps. I've seen off tanks that only autoattack or healers that have ungodly overheal percents but the content was cleared right so no problem right? Well no. They can play suboptimal and all is well if you clear but the terrible dps would be shunned regardless of the clear.

[MirielleLavandre]

I don't think people advocating for a parser want to use it to abuse others or shun them, I'd hope. Personally, if I'm on NIN or BRD, I LOVE knowing my numbers so ask for them so I can compare myself to others and find out if I am pulling my weight and how i can get better. I found out I was a lil low on NIN, and that prompted me to look at how I play and change some things in my rotation to get up to par with where I thought I should be. On WHM, I can tell without a parser, really when a dps is doing low, and even account for them having to avoid AoE (melee) or sing (bard). It is especially obvious if they request huge pulls but those pulls take 2/3 of my MP due to how long they take to down.

I think a parser is a tool people would use to better themselves, even though a few mean ones would abuse it to call out bad dps. Also, I'll add that I don't think parsers even really have a place in content you're doing with PUGs, and therefore, like someone said maybe should only be given for pre-made groups. If you're with pugs, there should be no expectation of optimal performance, I'd think, rather just casual clears ^^

[Dererk]

No in a way they do use it to shun people because they use it as an excuse to block the good console players by using their own PC master race mentality.

[pandabearcat]

How do you block good console players by looking at their dps...? If they do well on console all the more power to them. If they suck then...they suck, doesn't matter if its console or pc.

As for why its not allowed, its not allowed technically because its a 3rd party tool.

SE doesn't care at all about parsers. There is, however, also no reason for them to create an inhouse one. No mmo has one, and theres no point. It'll arrive when addons arrive. So...this discussion is kinda moot.

[Tiva]

If you guys support the allowance of parsers, please consider heading to the "User Interface" subfourum and showing support in my thread about Addons in Heavensward. The most likely addition of DPS meters in game will come through addons! But if the devs don't believe players WANT ADDONS they may never work on getting this implemented! Please show your support of DPS parsers and other addons!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...vensward/page2

[Steady]

In the early days of my FCOB static, there were times where I was beating 1-2 dps during runs on my warrior, in part because I had full pentamelds and they were still gearing up. We didn't kick and remake our static.... rather our dps stepped up over time and continue to do better and better.