I don't want to use parsers

[Sanguisio]

I fully agree with havenchild.

I would also like to see something for healers, that amount of times I've had to carry horredous healers who just refresh medica 2 is stupid.

I have no issues if you are learning the fight and you might make a mistake or whatever. That is cool because you are trying but laziness is another thing and is the quickest way to my BL.

[pandabearcat]

Hm, simply refreshing medica II sounds like a genius plan.

I'd probably do that if I could get away with it ^^ After all, the vast majority of fights have a joke amount of healing going out (if mechanics are done correctly).

[SunnyHirose]

Hm, simply refreshing medica II sounds like a genius plan.

I'd probably do that if I could get away with it ^^ After all, the vast majority of fights have a joke amount of healing going out (if mechanics are done correctly).

Ah, jokes have been made before, and they will continue to be made I'm sure.

[Boss_Koivula]

Lately it has felt like the quality of "farm parties" has gone down ever since echo was put into FCOB. Now everyone and their mother seems to go in and try to get carried to victory. When you see people with i130 doing +/-300 dps you start to question how did they even get trough T9. And god forbid if you try to ask about their rotation or tell them some tips which might help not only the person in question, but also the group for much more smooth runs. It's always the ego that gets in the way in 90% of these cases. "I play like the way I want. Shut up."

Atleast if we had a personal parser and people could see how low their numbers are compared to some top players, they could actually strive to improve by themselves, instead of their ego getting in the way when someone tries to help them.

[Cynfael]

It's always the ego that gets in the way in 90% of these cases. "I play like the way I want. Shut up.".

There should be an auto-translate entry for "Kindly refrain from offering suggestions. I enjoy playing poorly and would like you to make up for my lack of effort."

[Velo_Vandore]

I think the best way to implement a parser, if it's truly for the players own benefit, is in a training dummy type situation, rather than actual content.

My FC raid and have a great time, but when the DPS is low, we don't need to know who is failing hardest. We just keep trying and eventually succeed. I would hate to have any one player in the group suddenly have to face being the lowest DPS on the scoreboard after every fight. That would be demoralizing and take the fun out of it for any player. Bear in mind that even a good DPS could end up being last in the group all the time due to a great group.

On the other hand it would be great to be able to work on a training dummy and see how much you can improve DPS. If you feel like sharing then you can with your friends and then work out ways to improve.

There are some people in the FC who I can tell (by playing with a lot, their aggro compared to others, and watching / hearing about their little tricks / ideas) have great DPS. They don't care that we are failing and bitch at the other DPS - they love pushing their self that bit further to compensate. That's the mentality I respect from elite gamers, not getting pissy about having to work harder because of 'noobs' and 'casuals'. They enjoy pushing / challenging themselves and respect others who don't want to / can't easily do the same.

If you don't share that mentality, there are many players like you who want each player in the group to pull their weight. Keep working on building your static, and hopefully you'll soon have no worries, but I don't want to see parsers in the dungeons / raids.

[Bloody]

I think the best way to implement a parser, if it's truly for the players own benefit, is in a training dummy type situation, rather than actual content.

My FC raid and have a great time, but when the DPS is low, we don't need to know who is failing hardest. We just keep trying and eventually succeed. I would hate to have any one player in the group suddenly have to face being the lowest DPS on the scoreboard after every fight. That would be demoralizing and take the fun out of it for any player. Bear in mind that even a good DPS could end up being last in the group all the time due to a great group.

On the flip side of this, training dummy tells you squat when it comes to your ability to DPS while dealing with mechanics. Sure an experienced player doesn't need a parser to know when the raid-wide DPS is low, but sometimes having a parse will let you know "hey, everyone is kinda pulling low, let's push harder guys" or "we are doing good, except that one person probably could improve their rotation a bit" (which is the isolation idea you are against and I agree) but being able to see the difference between dummy DPS and actual DPS is something useful because you have to see how to adapt your rotations to the fight mechanics. People who are good and push themselves, or encourage others rather than berating them are sadly not the norm, but they are the awesome people who help more casual folks improve.

[Cynfael]

My FC raid and have a great time, but when the DPS is low, we don't need to know who is failing hardest. We just keep trying and eventually succeed. I would hate to have any one player in the group suddenly have to face being the lowest DPS on the scoreboard after every fight. That would be demoralizing and take the fun out of it for any player.

To play devil's advocate here, I have to wonder which is really worse: to risk that someone might feel uncomfortably singled out for poor performance or to risk that the entire group (including that person) might feel hobbled and understandably frustrated when there is obviously a problem with DPS but no concrete method for identifying it so that it can be corrected more quickly and effectively.

Context makes all the difference there, and that's why it's up to players to use parsing tools responsibly. When I run FCOB, I know that everyone and their mom is parsing the data, but it's rarely brought up except maybe to congratulate someone on pushing abnormally high DPS for their Job. When players I know recognize that they have opportunity, they will ask a friend to parse them as they work on better rotations so that they can get an idea of their progress.

TL;DR: It's admirable to want to be inclusive and not place unwanted pressure on other players, but there comes a point where purposely keeping players in the dark as to where their opportunities lie can cause more bad feelings in the long term.

[Jamein]

I would hate to have any one player in the group suddenly have to face being the lowest DPS on the scoreboard after every fight. That would be demoralizing and take the fun out of it for any player. Bear in mind that even a good DPS could end up being last in the group all the time due to a great group.

Why is everyone such a delicate flower? Can people not take a bit of criticism in a video game? If they don't care about their DPS, then they won't be demoralized. If they do care then they should suck it up and say right I care about my DPS, let's improve it and then ask for the parse after every fight and watch it go up and up and they would be happy about that.

Also, it doesn't matter if you are 'last' in DPS but everyone is doing good DPS. To be honest it becomes a bit of a fun mini-game when things are on farm, our melee's and I do it myself when I go monk, all compete with each other to see who can win every fight and have a laugh and a joke about it.

Parsers aren't the problem, it's the occasional idiots that are, but you get those anyway no matter what so why stop the rest of the community from having an informative tool because of a minority of people who abuse it, or because certain people are too delicate to be told they aren't doing good DPS, but they are still willing to chew the healer or tank out when they don't get a heal or a tank loses aggro.

[pandabearcat]

Then don't use parsers.

This isn't like, omg, he's got a parser and he's not afraid to use it, he's trampling my rights!

This is just like the gay marriage debate. Gay marriage is gonna destroy your christian marriage! Oh lawdie save me! [please note this is not a political/religious statement. It is a statement on the fallacy of that particular argument]

...etc.

You don't want it, don't use it. You don't care for people using it in your static/pug, then fine, kick them, leave, ignore them, don't invite them in the first place, etc.

But the existence of it isn't going to somehow destroy your way of life.