I don't want to use parsers

[Cynfael]

I have seen good summoners that were able to hold their own not epically high on the enmity bar but certainly more than 50% there.

If a SMN is high on the enmity list, then either everyone else is using enmity-reduction skills or the SMN massively outgears and outplays them. A solid chunk of the SMN's damage and enmity generation is attributed to their egi.

Also, as far as using the enmity list as a DPS indicator, it actually can be impossible to regain your "spot" after reducing your enmity if the DPS are otherwise closely matched in damage output and uptime.

[RinchanNau]

Sorry. You cannot go by enmity bars at all. Any good bard or black mage, for example, is going to quell during the time they would generate the most enmity; the opener.

[juniglee]

You can't use enmity bars due to its inaccuracy.

You can have your top DPS doing 200 DPS in T10 with echo, and your tank is able to just keep aggro, and it will make it look as though everyone else is doing fine in comparison, when in reality because your top DPS is only dealing 200 DPS, you are not passing any of the DPS checks, and the entire floor gets covered with electricity by Phase 4.

[alsims2007]

I've never needed a parser to inform a player that their rotation is off. That provoke doesn't do what they think it does. Things that a parser doesn't tell you with numbers. Parsers wouldn't be bad if more people would help others rather than use it to see who sucks.

We need individual an parser so they can help themselves.

[Crescent_Dusk]

I've never needed a parser to inform a player that their rotation is off. That provoke doesn't do what they think it does. Things that a parser doesn't tell you with numbers. Parsers wouldn't be bad if more people would help others rather than use it to see who sucks.We need individual an parser so they can help themselves.

I'm sorry, but when you join a farm run you do so with the expectation of smooth farming. It can take up to an hour to fill up a party sometimes and the last thing you want to do once you get that T11 started is explain to someone why 275 DPS in 120+ ilv is NOT acceptable.

The problem is people FOIST themselves on others and expect them to carry them through content. And they don't want parsers because parsers reveal what is going on.

I mean, if you're doing 400 DPS on any of the final coils, you're not doing great DPS, but I doubt people are going to berate you for it. When people get upset is at some guy in full augmented ironworks who's spent more time farming poetics for months rather than learning to play the class, because when a 116 monk is putting out 560+ DPS while the nearby dragoon or ninja with a zeta weapon in almost full 130 gear is putting out 380 DPS, that's a great source of annoyance.

Anyone can put in an effort and prepare and learn. Many just don't want to. And then they come unprepared and waste everybody's time wiping the party due to prolonged fights.

And then those players who you carried, rather heavily, end up winning items that are basically wasted on them because it's not like they're gonna put them to good use.

[alsims2007]

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I recently only do learning parties that often become clear parties then I drop out. I've cleared everything so it was either that or quit till expansion. So yeah I'll jump in a party and help people learn their class. I dont need to farm. I rather teach a new tank so I don't have to sit in a que for an hour. I rather teach a dps so it doesn't take an hour to clear a dungeon. Plus as I mentioned it gives me something to do.

How often do you actually "smooth farm" without a pre-made group of people you know anyway? I bet the few times you have it was likely the other players were together and needed an extra.

[Crescent_Dusk]

I recently only do learning parties that often become clear parties then I drop out. I've cleared everything so it was either that or quit till expansion. So yeah I'll jump in a party and help people learn their class. I dont need to farm. I rather teach a new tank so I don't have to sit in a que for an hour. I rather teach a dps so it doesn't take an hour to clear a dungeon. Plus as I mentioned it gives me something to do.

How often do you actually "smooth farm" without a pre-made group of people you know anyway? I bet the few times you have it was likely the other players were together and needed an extra.

Most of the PF parties I've had smooth farm, and they weren't players who were together. The point about farm is that you've done the fight so much for the gear you want that it becomes second nature.

I've done clear parties as well, nothing wrong with them. There's nothing wrong with doing activities so long as it is communicated to people what to expect.

The problem is when you communicate your expectations and people outright disregard them and think they can get away with it.

[Edellis]

i get why people use it but I really dont care that it's not a function of the game. As a competitive fighting game player, there's this really odd feeling when someone decides to judge players based on DPS parsing. It just makes me default to indifference and want to let them know how easy this game is.

On the other hand, this game is also alot like League of Legends where individual skill really has alot less to to do with the bigger picture of why you're winning or losing than you may like to think. You're only 1/8th of your team, and although you may be the best DPS parser in Narnia or the best healer in Mordor, a shitty player who doesn't do mechanics will wipe all 4 DPS, both healers and both tanks every single time.

So i really don't care. If I want to rage at idiots for making me lose at a videogame, i'll play League of Legends. If i want to feel like my individual skill matters, ill pop in GGXRD or Tekken. If I just want to try to get gear in a casually challenging MMO, i'll play FFXIV.


If you play that class and can give pointers, go for it. But if they reject pointers or are just incompetent, oh well, welcome to team-based online play. Gone are the days I can tell my friends they suck to their faces. There's this thing about online gaming where the ego is everything and people are personally offended when you suggest they aren't playing as good as they think they are.

[Alphras]

Let's face it. There are parsers for this game, they are easily available, widely used and wont go away anymore. Yes there will be disciplinary measures if you use them to harass people, but that is not specific to parsing. You will receive the same measures if you harass players because of other other reasons.

At this point, not having one offered from an official source just puts console players at a disadvantage.

[Lamia-Blackheart]

for those people that like to check the aggro bar as a gauge for dps, keep in mind (especially in this thread) that summoners can pull off decent numbers and still be low on the aggro list.