Thoughts on Isgard Lockout.

[Seiryuukishi]

Honestly while I can understand peoples' trepidation on new jobs being locked behind the expansion I look at it like this:

We've just gone through nearly two years of roughly same old, same old. And while Ninja was a welcome refresher for some, think of it like a reward for those who stuck through it and completed it. Much like a job you want to get a raise or corner office at (as it were) you have to work towards the reward. Most would say well that would be the expansion and seeing as I have paid for it why is the content I paid for blocked off? Like many have stated it is lore they have in place. Ishgard is secluded. Opening only to those seen as allies. So seeing as how the jobs "trainers" are located there it only makes sense that you have to be able to get through the gates of judgment. And the only way to do that at the moment is to complete the storyline.

I won't lie and say that I don't feel some sense of regret for possible newer players that may have wanted to come to play Dark Knight, Machinist, or Astrologian. I can imagine it would be frustrating to find out (if you didn't know before hand) that you had to level to 50 and complete 2.0 storyline just to get that one job you were aching to play. But it would make no logical sense for someone level 30 to walk into Ishgard, a level 50+ zone, to get a job.

Ultimately there has to be something other than flying, larger areas, and other assorted new things in the expansion to draw people. Especially those who have been here since 1.0 and 2.0 beta forwards.

TL;DR Unhappy as some may be, it is the way it is. The only solution would be to put them in Coerthas and you would still have to be 30 to unlock them. No matter how it is done there will be a waiting period.

[Burningskull]

Here's some food for thought. Since they revealed that all your new abilities past lvl 50 come from job quests, if these quests require you to go to new areas people that hit lvl 52 or 53 while doing the 2.55 story line wont be able to get these new abilities.

Unless of course Ishgard is the only area locked out and you can still get to the other ones of course.

[Kiroh]

Well...aside from the fact that new players wouldn't have the required levels necessary to even participate in any of the content, it's also completely obvious to anyone who understands the most basic concepts of time or causality.

[Flinx]

You are part of the problem big problem in the MMO industry, preventing it from innovating.

To be honest, the game needs more ways to progress that aren't "slam your face against this boss by team jump-rope repeatedly until you get the gear you want." It also needs fights that are challenging because of smart AI, not scripted, patterned arena fights with enrage timers/insta-kills. Memorizing patterns and then repeating them over and over and over is so incredibly *boring.*

Also, "It makes progression hella longer:" GOOD. We shouldn't be seeing people reaching level caps in the first week, or people completely clearing all of the content in an expansion in the first few weeks.

I find it silly enough that alot of people like random encounters when they haven't even cleared the scripted encounters in game (Coils).

[silentwindfr]

Here's some food for thought. Since they revealed that all your new abilities past lvl 50 come from job quests, if these quests require you to go to new areas people that hit lvl 52 or 53 while doing the 2.55 story line wont be able to get these new abilities.

Unless of course Ishgard is the only area locked out and you can still get to the other ones of course.

that the whole point, who say that we will earn exp from the msq 2.1-2.55? because soo far exept the item and gold no reward shown.... like i have said, no sense to add exp for this quest.

I find it silly enough that alot of people like random encounters when they haven't even cleared the scripted encounters in game (Coils).

not that strange, it's more this sort of people don't feel the need or want to complet this sort of content. that the point of why they (and me too) ask for more randomized content.

scripted content ask for a group simply repetiting the same choregraphy. randomized content, will ask to play the game, react, adapt at what will happend. that a looooot different of what we have there.

ps: one important point, people don't ask for a full randomized fight, but for a more random. meaning with more stuff that will ask to the group to react and adapt. not anticipate what will arrive after.
because that the main trouble of this content, we don't react, we know what gonna happend next and are ready to do what we need to do.

[Teuciont]

The catering to new players has to end at some point.

[Dererk]

Maybe it has more to do with the majority of people being too lazy and want to level up the new jobs on the 2.0 main story.

I think I'm maybe going to see if I can get some level 30 or so Levi quests done with out turning them in then do turn in once I get dark knight for that exp LOL.

That being said, I've never heard of an MMO expansion being gated behind a 250+ quest chain before! O.o I understand building off of the previous content and keeping it relevant, but there will be a lot of new players with the expansion, and I get the feeling that they may feel a bit annoyed at the quest line. You reach 50, but then can't go to the new areas and got to keep running around the "old world" for a week could really burn some people out.

While FFXI didn't really do this it took over 3 months to get one job to level 30 then had to unlock that then level that to level 30 wow over 6 months of leveling. Also couldn't access a number of areas in it with out doing a whole bunch of different quests number of which included rng. Heck even dark knight was a job you had to unlock separately from the others.

This is how it is always been with MMOs. People want to experience the most current content. If you force new people to do 545454654654654 quests at level 50 before they can experience the "newest content" a lot of those players may feel discouraged.

Hey hey hey at lest they will be getting experience points from all those quests past the ultima weapon mostlikly we not going to get that most likely.

[Burningskull]

that the whole point, who say that we will earn exp from the msq 2.1-2.55? because soo far exept the item and gold no reward shown.... like i have said, no sense to add exp for this quest.

Even as a current player if I'm not getting exp for lvl 50 stuff like Castrum Maridanum or Preatorium wth would I do it? I already don't do it cause my soldiery is perpetually capped. I would be hulk sized angry to find as a new player, I hit lvl 50 and then don't earn exp for 'any' of the stuff you have to do to unlock the expansion content. Just speculation but I'm pretty sure that ppl will get exp from stuff we don't currently get exp for.

[StouterTaru]

The catering to new players has to end at some point.

What catering are you talking about exactly, nerfing old content and giving bonuses for running it?

[Aeyis]

Even as a current player if I'm not getting exp for lvl 50 stuff like Castrum Maridanum or Preatorium wth would I do it? I already don't do it cause my soldiery is perpetually capped. I would be hulk sized angry to find as a new player, I hit lvl 50 and then don't earn exp for 'any' of the stuff you have to do to unlock the expansion content. Just speculation but I'm pretty sure that ppl will get exp from stuff we don't currently get exp for.

For fun or spiritbonding? It's still story content as well, its not like its some random dungeon or raid.