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  1. #31
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    kyuven's Avatar
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    Chen Kotomi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
    Can't unlock it till level 50 anyway. So it doesn't really matter. Seems like a poor excuse to write the entire game off and he just didn't want to be honest.
    Fixed it for you.
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  2. #32
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    Duuude Bismarck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    I think it will greatly punish new players.
    I agree, compelling a new player to play an advanced job without properly understanding party dynamics and a more rudimentary version of the three roles therein, would certainly equate to punishing them.

    Like sheep to the slaughter.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    If thats the case, why fight it? They are giving FFXIV money? They will donate to the cause and leave.
    The devs want their game to have some degree of continuity. I quite like the fact they stuck to this. It's an example of creative freedoms. In this case, the desire to maintain continuity within the game. It's an example that they want their game to be how they envision it, not simply a tool to earn the most money (for this issue in particular, profits would be negligible though). Of course, I'm not denying the possibility that this also serves as a petty means to keep someone around, but given how quick it is to do things usually, I'd say that conspiracy reasoning is rather lacking if someone were to claim that.
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  4. #34
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    Skadi Felis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Well, its money to start the game, money for the new race and expansion. Of course they are flaky if they have to pretty much grind through a bunch of stuff just to access current content. Imagine Steps of Faith a year from now for a new player... yeah.
    Castrum Meridianum is 1 1/2 years old and people still do it
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dererk View Post
    How dose it punish? Can't do the new stuff at level 1 20 or 30 so how dose it punish I wish people would stop complaining on this because it's for story purpose for crying out loud. Its also going to help keeping rmts and bots out of the new areas.
    No it's not, Do you really think RMT don't have an army of black mages that already done steps of faith?
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  6. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    I agree, compelling a new player to play an advanced job without properly understanding party dynamics and a more rudimentary version of the three roles therein, would certainly equate to punishing them.

    Like sheep to the slaughter.
    At no point has SE called these "advanced" jobs. As far as anyone knows at this point, the new jobs are neither more powerful nor more complex than the jobs we have currently.

    This is a very poor argument.

    As for "players who won't try because they can't play DRK" meaning they're flaky players... So what? Flaky or not, that's money not going into SE's pockets that could be going there. Strikes me as bad business. Even if they don't stick around to keep the subscription money flowing in, that initial investment shouldn't be taken lightly.

    I don't like the idea that a game that I'm so invested in is being head by folks with poor business sense. I want the game to thrive, not fail.
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    Last edited by LineageRazor; 05-01-2015 at 05:54 AM.

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  8. #37
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    Fionn Iolair
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dererk View Post
    Its also going to help keeping rmts and bots out of the new areas.
    Hallelujah for that reason alone!
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  9. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis View Post
    I'm sure the same people that are ok with this are the same people that would of been steaming mad if you needed a level 50 conjurer to unlock a level 30 white mage. White Knights are gonna sing praise up until the next dalamud meteor i guess though.
    I'm ok with this and I wouldn't be mad about that.
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  10. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis View Post
    I'm sure the same people that are ok with this are the same people that would of been steaming mad if you needed a level 50 conjurer to unlock a level 30 white mage. White Knights are gonna sing praise up until the next dalamud meteor i guess though.
    It's very bad of you to bring up "white knight" as a tool of mockery in this case.

    People defending dev decisions for logical reasons within the game = white knight.

    People defending a hypothetical (see non-existent) new player with problems derived from people looking to only complain = ???? *hint: refer to the other
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    Last edited by Welsper59; 05-01-2015 at 06:03 AM.

  11. #40
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    idk why people are put off by it, i myself would be greatly motivated like catching up to that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and its not like traveling along the rainbow is boring either. the instant gratification of having it all unlocked and there for new players is kind of meaningless isnt it?
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