Do you think sell groups are hurting end game community?

[GenJoe]

I asked the price from a "pony seller run" and it was 8mil.

It's pathetic. I blacklist every run seller I see in pf so they're greyed out.

It's a completely legitimate trade between two parties in agreement.

If you ask me, that's hell of a lot better than somebody who joins a farm group, dicks around for the whole fight, gets the loot on first drop, then leaves to do something else.

At least if there's money involved, everybody knows exactly what they're getting out of the deal. No dead weights.


and before you ask,

do I pay that kind of money for ponies?? NO, I don't think they're worth nearly that much, nor do I care for vanity items to even spend my time grinding them.. BUT the mere fact that such groups exist mean that there are people willing to pay that much for such services.

[Warlyx]

one thing i dont understand is why raiding isnt self-sustainable in other mmorpgs , raids habe BOE gear , or drops some mats to craft , with that raiders can generate ingame money to buy potions , or craft the gear with the dropped mats.

FFXIV however is different raiding is a money sink , even if u win all the time , the food , potions and potential wipes (repairs) .

Why dont every turn finished dont reward an ammount of gil is beyond me.

[Urthdigger]

The only issue I have with run selling really is the lack of people willing to do a normal learning party, nobody wants to assist on a run where noobs die over and over again, but feel there's no community obligation to help the new players because "they can farm up 10 mil and buy it."

I've helped friends and friends of friends, and the party forming is always the worst part. If it's not folks wanting to lie and say experienced players only to try and sneak the new player through, it's folks saying he should just buy a clear from one of the many groups advertising.

[Spy]

LOL Looks like run selling spam can be as bad as rmt spam. And people aren't bothered by this?

[Sapphic]

LOL Looks like run selling spam can be as bad as rmt spam. And people aren't bothered by this?

Totally, they go onto the Blacklist just like gil sellers. As they both promote the same thing.

[lvlagmarink]

I know few seller players who would bother to join others in term of helping a clear, this is however depends entirely to the individual as i see the motives behind them are somewhat intriguing.. Like someone is willing to help because knowing the one who needs it is a verified girl, or even getting in and being arrogant by telling how good his selling party comparing to the current struggling party, or even invitation by some specific people when that someone wont bother if some others ask for it, or feeling generous while letting the carried player to just hit the wall and making a clear while laugh at the said player in their private channel..

Still it's a helping people in need, but someone who criticize their motives can lead to dramas..

[Imoye]

It certainly does not yield a good first impression for new players when all they can see in their chat window is RMT and clear advertisement. This is a problem in WoW as well, but it happens on a whole lower scale than in FFXIV. I'm astounded SE hasn't done anything about it, because it's becoming a major annoyance. If it continues like this, I might actually quit because of it.

What is even more surprising is that there really isn't a whole lot to spend any significant gil on in this game, except from some glamours, housing and clear runs. The clear runs don't have to be a one time thing either, as they can be bought multiples times and aren't a one-time gold sink. I really do believe RMT and clear selling compliment each other. I know a lot of people disagree, but at least the RMT skyrocketed once clear selling became more rampant. Both needs dealing with.

So yes, I do believe sell groups are hurting the game long-term.

[MageBlack]

Sell groups are no better than RMT in my opinion.

[Spy]

One thing I dont get when people say that the way SE designed the game (with lockouts and such) is what's forcing players to buy runs....then why is it next to non-existent on JP servers? Last I checked it was the same game...

[Jim_Berry]

People who buy clears are desperate for their wins. They go as far as buying gil to pay for the clear.

Personally, I don't involve myself in how people progress. Only negative thing about me NOT buying clear is that I can't join many groups due to "no sol" message.

There is a guy who took forever to get his T10 clear. Now, his PF has the "no sol" bonus. Sad, if you ask me.