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  1. #31
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    NaliaBrown's Avatar
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    Nalia Danger
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    Lamia
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    Make it drop a rare minion or a pony. People will deliberately queue up to farm it. Problem solved.
    This. Or at least give it a Triple Triad card drop. Some sort of incentive. Make people want to go back. With no loot at all, why should I go back? I have, just to help my FC. I think they're all past it now. No one has asked for help on it recently, thankfully.

    It needs to be incentivized, not nerfed. It's plenty easy once you know how to do it.
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  2. #32
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    Aiot O'lein
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Rogue Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by NebulaRose View Post
    I just unlocked this fight yesterday. Queue up with two FC members and get into the fight. One healer instantly abandoned, and we only got Vishap to 50% once out of 5 or 6 tries. >_<
    Well... you only need 1 healer for actual active healing so thats not much of a problem...
    Sounds more like you guys got the adds scrambling around, DPS was not all focused on the boss, the cannons werent well focusing on it either and failed 2 out of 3 dragonkillers :/
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  3. #33
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    NebulaRose's Avatar
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    Adrius Rivia
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenne View Post
    Well... you only need 1 healer for actual active healing so thats not much of a problem...
    Sounds more like you guys got the adds scrambling around, DPS was not all focused on the boss, the cannons werent well focusing on it either and failed 2 out of 3 dragonkillers :/
    You're probably right lol. I was trying to tank along with my fellow FC member, so I don't know how people were doing on Cannons and Dragonkillers. I will be trying to get a full FC party to try it with me. Just gotta keep at it.
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  5. #34
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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Estellise Valesti
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    Adamantoise
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenne View Post
    Well... you only need 1 healer for actual active healing so thats not much of a problem...
    Sounds more like you guys got the adds scrambling around, DPS was not all focused on the boss, the cannons werent well focusing on it either and failed 2 out of 3 dragonkillers :/
    Yeah, but the other healer should be on a cannon. Being down a healer hurts your DPS.
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  6. #35
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    Aiot O'lein
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    Rogue Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Yeah, but the other healer should be on a cannon. Being down a healer hurts your DPS.
    Yup, DPS gets hurt if there is no 2nd Healer... well... they get hurt regardless... Im confused :|
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  7. #36
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    Estellise Valesti
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    Adamantoise
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenne View Post
    Yup, DPS gets hurt if there is no 2nd Healer... well... they get hurt regardless... Im confused :|
    lol

    Sorry. That made me laugh a lot.
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  8. #37
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    LunaSnowfield's Avatar
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    Nova Elysium
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    PF and FC are the answers. On Trial roulette , people tends to insta-rush everything because gear and huge dps from ilvl 130-135.
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  9. #38
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    Hiruke's Avatar
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    Aislin Delhir
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 73
    They will eventually nerf the fight. They already said they were considering it.

    If I get it in Roullette, I stick around to help those poor folks out, as long as the first run doesn't prove to me they aren't worth helping.

    The reason folks quit as soon as they see it has less to do with how long til you fail, and more to do with the fact that there is an overwhelming number of people who are trying to clear SoF that fall into one or more of the following categories:

    - DPS that doesn't know how to dps AT ALL. Doesn't even come close to breaking 200 dps with 100% uptime on a single target.
    - DPS don't understand to ignore little adds until cannons are gone, only kill big add if necessary (esp. turtle).
    - Tank that doesn't know how to acquire threat quickly.
    - Tank that doesn't understand that it's mission critical to bring adds to the front of Vishap NOWNOWNOW so cannons can clear them out.
    - People on cannons don't know how shot cannon.
    - Person on dragon killer doesn't know to wait for snares.
    - People on cannons don't know they need to use snares.
    - Healers don't know how to heal. Hey, they can just res and return anyway, right!? NOT A DPS LOSS AT ALL!!
    - DPS bad at dps and bad at cannons/mechanics.
    - Healers bad at healing and bad at cannons/mechanics.
    - Tanks bad at tanking and bad at cannons/mechanics.
    - People on cannons somehow never did Stone Vigil and learned to stun shot turtle.
    - etc. etc. ETC.

    Every failed run I've ever seen had something in common: Tanks did not bring adds to the front IMMEDIATELY for cannons to deal with. This happened even if somehow there were 2 tanks to deal with adds, and a dps was on dragon killer.

    Stop being terrible, tanks. The dps check is so light you can actually get people through as long as you actually follow mechanics (which is totally beyond the average player - I understand not magically knowing to begin with, but even after a detailed explanation, most people act like they are just ready to be carried), and cannons > adds is a main one.

    tl;dr: If people weren't so bad/desperate to get carried, less people would quit SoF the second they loaded in.
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  10. #39
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    Hiruke's Avatar
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    Aislin Delhir
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 73
    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Yeah, but the other healer should be on a cannon. Being down a healer hurts your DPS.
    On my clear, 2 dps were on cannons, 1 tank was on DK, and we killed it before it even got to the first set of cannons of the last barrier. This was like on the first day or two of it being out. What's more important is that you actually do the mechanics, and don't play poorly. The dps check is NOT tight at all. People just need to step it up and actually PAY ATTENTION to what they should be doing.
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  11. #40
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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Estellise Valesti
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Hiruke View Post
    On my clear, 2 dps were on cannons, 1 tank was on DK, and we killed it before it even got to the first set of cannons of the last barrier. This was like on the first day or two of it being out. What's more important is that you actually do the mechanics, and don't play poorly. The dps check is NOT tight at all. People just need to step it up and actually PAY ATTENTION to what they should be doing.
    So true. I was just pointing out that if you only use 1 healer to heal than the other healer is better on a cannon since they do less DPS than a DPS class.
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