The constant disbanding of Steps of Faith

[Warlyx]

SE wants ppl to be ready for Heavenswards otherwise they wont even buy the expansion

Nerfs happen , SE nerfed everything already (but savage) , adding Echo is a nerf itself.

Outdated content gets nefed overtime , why ppl are suprised ? ~~ ,and yeah Steps was nerfed "too fast" , but brace yourselves , heavensward is coming.

[Nestama]

SE wants ppl to be ready for Heavenswards otherwise they wont even buy the expansion

Nerfs happen , SE nerfed everything already (but savage) , adding Echo is a nerf itself.

But they could have waited until a week after Heavensward comes out before nerfing it. Unless it's level synced to 50, people would be able to easily beat it at, say, level 52... thus making the nerf pointless

[RyuDragnier]

But they could have waited until a week after Heavensward comes out before nerfing it. Unless it's level synced to 50, people would be able to easily beat it at, say, level 52... thus making the nerf pointless

This. Plus with the new gear, we'd be powerful enough to do the adds without the cannons and could then just concentrate on Vishap, the snares, and the Dragonkiller. But now the place is faceroll easy without everybody getting better. There's a difference between nerfing by gear increase (see the original AK, which became easier as people got better stuff) and nerfing by changing numbers on the boss.

[RiceisNice]

This. Plus with the new gear, we'd be powerful enough to do the adds without the cannons and could then just concentrate on Vishap, the snares, and the Dragonkiller. But now the place is faceroll easy without everybody getting better. There's a difference between nerfing by gear increase (see the original AK, which became easier as people got better stuff) and nerfing by changing numbers on the boss.

If someone was strictly doing main scenario (IE. a new player that's trying to catch up to heavensward, or god forbid a player who started ARR after 3.0 came out), they won't be in full ironworks/zeta like some of us were when we did SoF,) and probably be hitting the bare minimum of ilvl90. Combine that with literally no one doing the fight again for shiggles outside of trial roulette because there's no point, then WELP.

I did SoF with maybe 3 other people who had zetas (others were either diamond or 110) , and we were still clutching the checks since vishap died at the last gate, with all DKs being successful and everything. The DPS check is still kinda there, and having a deadweight dps or two can be really apparent.

[Kallera]

But they could have waited until a week after Heavensward comes out before nerfing it. Unless it's level synced to 50, people would be able to easily beat it at, say, level 52... thus making the nerf pointless

That week would have been complained still to "make it a month after" "a patch after" "never". The exclusion this particular crowd is looking for in ishgard(and which shouldn't be endorsed) is brought not only by mechanics, but poor behavior in df. Those same out gearing people you talked about were already out gearing SoF, and still enough chose to quit over doing the fight to warrant this thread and its discussions

[Warlyx]

But they could have waited until a week after Heavensward comes out before nerfing it. Unless it's level synced to 50, people would be able to easily beat it at, say, level 52... thus making the nerf pointless

how are ppl that cant pass Steps of faith going to be lvl 52 ? u need to finish it in order to even travel to heavensward....and if u think ppl that are 51+ are going to do 2.0 content too busy enjoying the expansion to do that !$·!$ again

and im fairly sure all the 2.0 endgame content will sync to 50 and max ilvl 130

[Felis]

how are ppl that cant pass Steps of faith going to be lvl 52 ? u need to finish it in order to even travel to heavensward...

To increase the levelcap in Heavensward you only need the expansion and don't need to clear the 2.x story.

and if u think ppl that are 51+ are going to do 2.0 content too busy enjoying the expansion to do that !$·!$ again

With 3.0 (or 3.1?) a new relic questline is coming. Also during the first day will be a flood of lv30 jobs.

[LineageRazor]

To increase the levelcap in Heavensward you only need the expansion and don't need to clear the 2.x story.

I'll be surprised if you actually need the expansion in order to level past 50. They never did this in FFXI - in fact, they went out of their way to provide methods for folks who choose not to buy the expansion to continue leveling (added higher level mobs to old zones).

In fact, I think it's highly likely that experience points are going to be added to level 50 Main Scenario quests and sidequests, so that folks newer to the game can continue leveling as they proceed through Main Scenario.

Heavensward will offer higher level open world mobs (but who levels on those?), higher level FATEs, and higher level dungeons, but for folks who choose not to pick up the expansion there will still be Dungeon Roulette, and possibly other methods added as well. It will be more difficult to level up without the expansion, but I doubt it will be impossible to level up without the expansion.