The constant disbanding of Steps of Faith

[Felis]

Hard modes that reward items are not part of the main scenario.

But Moogle King is

[StouterTaru]

But Moogle King is

Ifrit/Shiva/Titan are as well, kinda. You need them completed to start the 2.5 story.

[Felis]

Ifrit/Shiva/Titan are as well, kinda. You need them completed to start the 2.5 story.

Shiva yes. But I think Ifrit HM and Titan HM are not within the MSQ, even if you need them.

[Nalien]

Shiva yes. But I think Ifrit HM and Titan HM are not within the MSQ, even if you need them.

If they're needed, they're part of the main scenario.

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...d0d8aba91d373e

Players must first complete the main scenario quest "Let Us Cling Together," and have completed The Bowl of Embers (Hard), The Navel (Hard), and The Howling Eye (Hard).

You can't even do 2.5s main scenario quests without doing the original (Hard) mode Primals, let alone 2.55s. That effectively makes them part of the main scenario now, at least insofar as arguing about anything like a difficulty curve goes.

[Felis]

If they're needed, they're part of the main scenario.

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...d0d8aba91d373e



You can't even do 2.5s main scenario quests without doing the original (Hard) mode Primals, let alone 2.55s. That effectively makes them part of the main scenario now, at least insofar as arguing about anything like a difficulty curve goes.

They are part of the Mainstory if a mainstory quest (those with the meteor icon) tell you to kill them. For now they (Garuda hard, Ifrit hard and Titan hard) are only required to be cleared, but not part of the mainstory itself.
Only at Moogle King the primal hardmodes begin to be also the primal storymodes.

[Rendecrow]

They are part of the Mainstory if a mainstory quest (those with the meteor icon) tell you to kill them. For now they (Garuda hard, Ifrit hard and Titan hard) are only required to be cleared, but not part of the mainstory itself.
Only at Moogle King the primal hardmodes begin to be also the primal storymodes.

Oh come on. While they are not part of the main story, they are still required to continue the main story. As a result they are part of the main story, even if it is "unofficially".

[Nalien]

They are part of the Mainstory if a mainstory quest (those with the meteor icon) tell you to kill them.

Isn't that exactly what happens if you haven't done them, though?

You get up to "Good Intentions", the meteor icon is red and locked out, and you're told to first go do Ifrit (Hard), etc..

[StouterTaru]

Shiva yes. But I think Ifrit HM and Titan HM are not within the MSQ, even if you need them.

None of them HM are a part of the main story line, but they are a prerequisite to continue the main story line. It's like being ilvl90; you can't finish 2.55 without it.

[kyuven]

None of them HM are a part of the main story line, but they are a prerequisite to continue the main story line. It's like being ilvl90; you can't finish 2.55 without it.

which is actually my suspicion as to why they're required...being able to shut up and listen is an important lesson taught by the HM primals.

[Rendecrow]

which is actually my suspicion as to why they're required...being able to shut up and listen is an important lesson taught by the HM primals.

Really? Every HM group I joined for the first time I went in blind, no strategy was discussed, and we one shot it. What am I suppose to be listening to? :P lol