Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Kallera]

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As I said, there is a proposed solution in Alexander, multiple difficulties. Asking people to wait only works for so long, if they run out of patience, or sour on the game and who they play with, they are not going to be waiting for months/years.

As a former 1.0 player, I had a interest to know what happened during the calamity, that is why this raid in particular had my interest and how I eventually did not appreciate the way it was implemented. It may be different for other folks, but when a lot of things simply had to make way for the raid to come in, then be met with the sort of crowd raids attract, yeah, change was expected. Coil was not liked by enough people, so they wanted changes to make the next raid less restrictive to FCS, lses, and people in general.

Dancing around spoilers and benching ls members for months on end is not something to look forward to. Some got sick of it, some did something about it, but not everyone wants to, or have people willing to, go through it all over again.

[Aeyis]

From my perspective "elitist" and "good" are two different things.

I agree with that, however ''elitist'' isnt an internet defination. There have been elitists for many thousands of years.
In more recent history Nietzsche's ''Ubermensch'' is a good example. A lot of people thought he ment that ''people that are good at something'' are better then others (others are worthless).

When in fact his idea of Ubermensch is really the humanist point of view (human perspective > all = humans -> should aim at being the best).


So basically his Ubermensch idea = elite people being/becoming ''skilled'' so that they do have the right to have a ''greater perspective'', whereas the people thinking it means ''being better means the rest isnt worth as much'' (and who agree with that), are the elitists.



Being elite = glass is half full, aim to fill the rest so theres enough to drink. Being elitist = glass is half empty, got to make sure others wont drink so i will have enough for myself.


Incidentally, as far as helping others and being an elite goes:
-Elite will tend to feel like they have the responsibility for pretty much everything. So it's not that strange to expect them to help out.
Keep in mind that elites are people too, noone is perfect. This is a teamgame for the most part, so no single person can solo everything.

[Sapphic]

This comes with a caveat. You have to actually present the advice as advice.

I understand what you are saying, but I like to think I present in a proper way. An example, Turn 9 twisters. I'll tell them "With Twisters, one trick I was told is that if you have Twintania focus targetted, makes it easier to spot when she starts casting if you smacking the knights, that little trick helped me to get past it " Sometimes I'll get, "I'll try that thanks" Other times I'll get verbal abuse or ignored. The latter, no matter how you present advice, they won't take it.

[LineageRazor]

I suppose a third solution exists for SE, to implement 2 different difficulties for each raid, but the lower difficulty version would have to give lower lvl loot, which will make the raid obsolete very fast.

Actually, this IS a pretty good solution, and one that SE seems to be gearing up for with Alexander. Difficult and normal versions of the same raid, presumably covering the same storyline. Players who don't care for hardcore content or high level gear can work through the normal mode, while others who prefer the challenge and maxing out their characters can take on the difficult mode.

As for obsolescence, that's what Duty Finder and Roulettes are for. If Alexander Normal Mode truly is easy enough that most players can jump into Duty Finder and win, then creating a Roulette for it will keep it going LONG after the content has become obsolete.

[Kosmos992k]

I agree with that, however ''elitist'' isnt an internet defination. There have been elitists for many thousands of years.
In more recent history Nietzsche's ''Ubermensch'' is a good example. A lot of people thought he ment that ''people that are good at something'' are better then others (others are worthless)..

Quoting German thinkers not withstanding, I've been around far longer than the Internet, and can tell you that elitism and elitist have had negative connotations since long before the Internet or MMORPGs existed. Attempting to revise the meaning of these terms as some how positive is in my view intellectually dishonest. I can think of no time in recent human history where elitist was used as a compliment or as a positive term. Elitism as a practice is something associated with the ruling elite in Communist dictatorships..

[Tiggy]

I've said this several times before in this topic, but it bears repeating; considering oneself to be elite is light years from actually being elite. Being elitist does not require or confer elite status. Being an elitist is a state of mind driven by ego not ability. Elite is a status or reputation conferred by others based on achievement or ability.

It's also not entirely accurate in it's own right. On my server only 2.3% of the population has completed T13 as of the count put up on reddit a few weeks ago. I'm a member of that 2.3% since I was able to beat it before it went to party finder. On that objective measure I would definitely count myself in the Elite and I support that assertion with that statistic. But do however continue to make broad generalizations about people due to your negativity about their actual capabilities. Assumptions yo. Doesn't make you accurate to repeat it over and over. Kinda puts you into your own negative echo chamber. You've really been doing nothing here but arguing for continued prejudice in most of this thread. Does that make you feel good or something? To actively put people down? Do you think you're any better than the "elitists" you seem to hate? I don't think so.

You Kosmos have actively been one of the most negative people in this thread.

[Izsha]

2.3%!? Get out you filthy casual! On my server only 1.7% beat t13. I'm like 35% more elite than you Tiggy!

Also, the definition of elite was considered superior by yourself OR others. You don't need a democratic vote to consider on self superior. But I still prefer the definition of objectively superior because that is a clear definition, not some fluffy opinion. If we race and I win, I'm objectively superior at running etc. 'Feeling' elite is what a lot of the insta rage quitting jerks do, or the WoD heroes that think they're gods gift to 14. They think themselves superior with no evidence to support that claim. If you want to belong to an elite class, better back it up with something real!

[Kosmos992k]

You Kosmos have actively been one of the most negative people in this thread.

Tiggy,

When are you going to read what is written? with in the context that we are discussing this, elitism is NOT aspiring to be elite. Being elite is not the same as being elitist, or practising elitism. I am no more negative about elite players than I am myself. As far as I am concerned elite players, those who can down T13 and the like, are among the best players of this game, end of story.

But being elite doesn't make any of those people elitist, nor does it make them assholes. I've never said or suggested that it does, quite the opposite actually. The most negative thing I have said in this topic is that elitists are often assholes. That says NOTHING about elite players. If you can't understand that, I don't know how to help you.

That said, my definition of elite players extends beyond those who achieve a T13 clear, to me the truly elite players who are simply excellent players, have a good attitude, are helpful, fair and civil to all. Of course those elite players have the gear and achievements that go along with their skill. BTW, no need to check my lodestone profile, I absolutely do not consider myself among the elite players.

I will say it again for emphasis, elitism is not the state of being elite nor aspiring to be elite. Elitist is not the state of mind of being elite. Actually being elite is more or less mutually exclusive with being elitist or participating in elitism.

[LunaHoshino]

No one is expecting you to help everyone at every waking moment. But don't join a DF party and then leave people hanging because you didn't get your instant gratification.

People can leave a DF party at any time for any reason. DF doesn't have the same level of commitment that PF does-- if someone joins a PF, they are choosing to party with that particular group. DF is luck of the draw. I've seen people leave a DF party because they ended up in one with someone they didn't get along with. That's their right.

Joining DF with any sort of expectations about how a run is going to go is foolish. You have no idea who or what you're going to get and no control over it either. If that's what you want, make a PF, otherwise deal with what you get. What you get might be people who don't want to party with you.

[Kallera]

Tiggy, where is kosmos being inaccurate? All you stated was your accomplishments, ego and how ones approaches others is what determines someone to be an elitist.

It is a state of arrogance, and its been used for years to describe a state of arrogance seen in MMO communities.

And just cause someone is called something doesn't mean its valid. How long do folks in a falling apart party know each other, a few minutes? I've had people making assumptions of my sexual preference by then. XD