Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Skivvy]

I honestly don't see why someone leaving a party after a single wipe is a bad thing. If they'd rather eat that 30 minute penalty than stick around, that's their choice. No one should feel obligated to stay in a party they don't want to be in-- that's why we have the ability to leave duties in the first place.

Wiping on a first try is often (but not always) a precursor to future wipes, and if someone doesn't feel up to dealing with that, they should be able to leave without being vilified for it.

Sorry, didn't elaborate much on that and was tossing out common situations. Someone simply leaving isn't a bad thing, time is precious, and people may feel it's a waste of time. From my experiences, a good number of people who quit after one attempt on a fight have been spouting off at the mouth during the fight, and then leave the group with another zinger for good measure. Not all, of course, but a very good number. Just my personal experience, others may vary may experience otherwise. So I guess it was this type of person I was referring to

I don't expect anyone to stick around longer than they want to, but you don't have to be a dick to the group before leaving. Simply leaving, or even just a "hey, I'm sorry, but this isn't going to work" before dropping is fine. Granted, there may be some people who complain at that point and unfairly label the person an elitist, but that ties into the expectations issue that can be found in some people and shouldn't be condoned either.

[LunaHoshino]

So apparently it's just one shots or nothing, right? Just how did people expect to get anywhere with this attitude?

So you'd rather they stick around and be nasty at the rest of the group for messing up? No thanks. If someone is going to be grumpy over wipes, I'd much rather they just leave.

[Magusrex]

Best thing to do is let people go. You do not want to group with someone who does not want to be there. FWIW I am in the camp that says kick anyone who requests it. I have never requested to be kicked, i am willing to eat the penalty, however I always vote to kick someone who requests it. I do not want to group with anyone who doesn't want to group with me.

[LunaHoshino]

From my experiences, a good number of people who quit after one attempt on a fight have been spouting off at the mouth during the fight, and then leave the group with another zinger for good measure. Not all, of course, but a very good number. Just my personal experience, others may vary may experience otherwise.

We've definitely had different experiences, then, because what I tend to see is the person just dropping quietly without saying a word. I've seen a few jerks like the ones you described, but they've been the minority in my overall experience. Usually the first realization I get that someone has left is the "LIGHT PARTY" text.

[kpxmanifesto]

I did say it only I tried to say it in a way that was more entertaining. "Self-centered"? I tried to have some fun and create a good read. But ah, it is easier to destroy than create, right?

Today I learned, being arrogant and self-centered is entertaining. "Have some fun and create a good read." For who, you?

[Anna_Lannis]

So you'd rather they stick around and be nasty at the rest of the group for messing up? No thanks. If someone is going to be grumpy over wipes, I'd much rather they just leave.

It's the "quit after two wipes" attitude that makes it difficult for new players to get better at content. That's why we have so many people noobing it up in DF and PF in the first place.

Today I learned, being arrogant and self-centered is entertaining. "Have some fun and create a good read." For who, you?

The OP failed to make a point and then claimed it was "having fun and create a good read"? Which is it OP? 50 pages of posts and for what? Not only have you abused the forums, but now you have damaged your creditably and now no one (other than your army of sock-puppets) is every going to take you seriously ever again. Next time, actually put thought into what your are saying, something you can't be bothered to do.

We can all say Hitler was a Nazi who committed horrible atrocities, that little kids in third world countries are suffering and in dire need of education, shelter, etc., or that Obama screwed up the economy with his half-baked Obama Care... and we'd be right, but what exactly are you going to do about these things other than complain about them, saying "people need to do better?". I don't know what your running for OP, but you're not getting MY vote.

[Kosmos992k]

An elitist is just one who considers themselves elite. The OP even used the definition of elitist.

I've said this several times before in this topic, but it bears repeating; considering oneself to be elite is light years from actually being elite. Being elitist does not require or confer elite status. Being an elitist is a state of mind driven by ego not ability. Elite is a status or reputation conferred by others based on achievement or ability.

[LunaHoshino]

It's the "quit after two wipes" attitude that makes it difficult for new players to get better at content. That's why we have so many people noobing it up in DF and PF in the first place.

No one should be forced to stick around in a party they don't want to be in for whatever reason. Period. That doesn't make them a bad person or an elitist, because no one has an obligation to play teacher if they don't feel like it. I say this as someone who spends the majority of my play time helping other people out.

It's ridiculously entitled to think that experienced players are obliged to help new players with content all the time. Sometimes you just don't feel like it and that's fine. Forcing people into the teacher role is a surefire way to make them dislike and resent new players and be less inclined to be helpful.

[Shadray]

Wow your post has over 250 likes... Guess I'm gonna have to read it now.

[Twilite]

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You didn't get that far by yourself. You didn't become "elite" on your own.