Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Gardes]

I just thought of this but SE could do 2 things to reduce conflict between veteran players and new players:

1) Nerf content. If 1 person's lack of knowledge/ability becomes less likely to wipe the raid, veteran players will care less about players having knowledge/ability. Echo helps a lot with DPS checks for example. If a DPS player is dead the whole fight, it's pretty easy to make up for that player with echo stacks. However, that would necessitate mechanical nerfs with things like T9 meteors (where a single bad player can kill everyone). While many veteran players don't like nerfs, speaking for myself, if it's content I've already done a 100 times, it really doesn't matter to me. By the time I've done a fight that many times I'm not there for the challenge.

2) Give veteran players less reason to do old content. The cost of this is that groups will fill up slower for new players, of course, but at least they will consist of people expecting the group to be new. A group that fills up quickly only to disband after 2 wipes is really not helping new players anyway.

I'd argue that option no1 is not only bad for the players with no clear but it's also bad for players that have cleared it. The contents, while designed separately from each other and require exp and knowledge specific to that content, they do tend to ramp up gradually and reuse older mechanics. Nerfing older fights screws up that curve turning them into a small curve and then abruptly changing into a cliff. Players who keep going through nerfed content will find it harder to break into content at the peak of their relevance when they are seriously trying to catch up and players already tacking the relevant content will have a lower quality of players when they try to recruit for their static to replace members that have to quit. It's much harder to promote yourself as a new comer to the current content over solo current raiders when the gap is huge.

Also, the second option would encourage the solo players needing help to seek out real connections with FC/LS or at the very least re-evaluate what their current FC/LS means to them (and the other way). I say, there really is no point in staying in an fc that is all gigglesquee and throws emotes at you and engages in useless banter with you (and that's it) over another fc is the less noisy but actually interacts with you outside of the chat box and actually does stuff with you.

[Coris]

For me, the unfun thing starts when the progress stops. Even I get frustrated/annoyed when we or someone die do the very same thing over and over. That happened in 1.x's Dzemael, but still my friends and I would try again after taking a break and considering what went wrong etc. That is also the time when I might check out Youtube. It's the watching a video beforehand thing that is not my type of playing.

The expecting-thing is meh to me. There will always be newbies as people start playing XIV and some of them might have a different playstyle or consider different things fun.

Oh and regarding "taking a penalty": Some don't do that. They rather kill the others x-times, making sure to be annoying, until they get kicked Dx

[Coris]

It was supposed to be "die to" x.x

It just seems as the content gets older, there are less people who are at the same point and situation like me. I think to avoid that in 3.0, I should try to start with Alexander right after it opened, even though it encourages some kind of a rush IMO :/

I won't stop trying to learn t9 though. Next time I'll make sure to get as many friends and/or people who are also new to this together and go in again. Even from that first shot I learned a bit ^^"
I just wish people wouldn't get mad the very second they see a new player / the soldiery message / etc. It's okay to be annoyed at some point, but as I said before, it also somehow matters how you express yourself to others. It might scare them off completely.

P.S.:
I wouldn't want a nerf or even ask for one. Remembering that thread about Steps of Faith and I thought it was ridiculous. I've helped some people go through it already and would always do it again.

[Coris]

Isnt "My PF didnt fill up" the very evidence that none want to do your way ? Why keep wasting other's time ?

Why "keep wasting"? I only went once so far (it was a bit late for EU too) with just one try until ~65%. Right after that the mindless pulling started instead of like... asking to abandon.

Other stuff is in my post under yours. I am typing with my phone and I think my reaction time is quite off. Considering to sleep now anyways.

[Discordia]

Maybe they lash out, maybe they just leave. The carried players, still unable to get their clears come to the forums and post things like: "Increase penalty timer for leaving an instance. Community is toxic. I can't get a group. Nerf this fight. Game is full of elitists."

What about a trial that cannot be avoided by those that haven't yet cleared to progress in the main story? What about the fact that there is no penalty? The fact that people just leave without saying anything and leave before the timer has even ticked a few seconds into the trial? If that isn't elitism (I'm beyond this, I shouldn't have to deal with this), then I don't know what is. If you want to get roulette rewards, then put on your big boy pants and see through it, or at the least make a serious effort and leave if it's really bad. In my experience, that hasn't happen, as people just bail out right away.

[Purrfectstorm]

What about a trial that cannot be avoided by those that haven't yet cleared to progress in the main story? What about the fact that there is no penalty? The fact that people just leave without saying anything and leave before the timer has even ticked a few seconds into the trial? If that isn't elitism (I'm beyond this, I shouldn't have to deal with this), then I don't know what is. If you want to get roulette rewards, then put on your big boy pants and see through it, or at the least make a serious effort and leave if it's really bad. In my experience, that hasn't happen, as people just bail out right away.

What you're responding to has nothing to do with my OP and I think it's wrong on a couple of points:

1) There is a penalty for leaving a duty such as a trial (30 min). There used to be a thing where you could leave without penalty if someone was still watching a cutscene but SE fixed this. That aside I don't think penalties have the impact some players want them to. For example, I assume you're referring to the Steps trial? A 30 min penalty might look more appealing than wiping for an hour because people won't communicate or coordinate. And if you make penalties too high, people just won't play. Games are supposed to be fun and failing to make progress because of other players is not fun. I do agree that players shouldn't queue for roulette if they're not willing to do the trial though. At this point, probably every trial roulette will land on Steps (new, part of main story, some people stuck on it) so I think players should expect this to happen fairly frequently right now.

2) I don't think what you're describing is elitism. The players who are beyond a particular trial are probably beyond trial roulette (I haven't done trial roulette in many, many months, long before Steps came out). The reason? I easily cap Poetics doing other things and don't really need soldiery for anything. At this point, if you've been playing for a bit, Poetics is only good for gearing alts but FCoB is unlocked and so is WoD, making capping not a strict necessity by any means. The gil bonus to trial roulette is pretty mediocre (even assuming a 1-shot trial, I could make 200-300k in the same amount of time). Anyway, I think people just weigh the costs vs. rewards and it has nothing to do with elitism. But your post does kind of illustrate my point: all frustration for lack of progress is directed at so-called elitists.

[Discordia]

But your post does kind of illustrate my point: all frustration for lack of progress is directed at so-called elitists.

What point? The only point you've laid out is that you don't really care about other players as long as YOU'RE having fun. I'm on the middle ground here. I'm good enough to be in ANY raid setting, but that time of my life where I used to be able to lead a guild/FC, spend hours a night wiping on cutting edge content is long past. I can ill afford a couple of hours here and there to play this game, and don't want to punish other players by burdening them with scheduling issues, so I abstained from joining an FC. OTOH, the way the main story scenarios are designed, in that you're at the mercy of the GOOD WILL of other players is a stupid design. This shouldn't be the wall that you're required to scale in order to play an expansion that you're going to pay for and the monthly fees you already paid for (for F2P content, sure, I don't give a shit about any paywalls they put up)

In the end, everyone pays a monthly subscription. No one should be "above the law" in this case.

[GenJoe]

you don't really care about other players as long as YOU'RE having fun

Okay.. I'll come out and say it.

I don't care as long as I'm having fun.

[Izsha]

Different ways to be elitist ive learned in this thread:

*Player leaves duty before 1st pull. Elitist.
*Player leaves after 1 wipe. Elitist.
*Player leaves in less than 10 min. Elitist.
*Player leaves in less than 20 min. Elitist.
*player leaves before timer runs out. Elitist.
*Clear sellers. Elitist.
*Anyone screaming obscenities. Elitist.
*Explaining fight mechanics. Elitist.
*Creates farm PF with no sold bonus and kicking someone with sold bonus. Elitist.
*creating farm pf that even says 'no sold bonus'. Elitist.
*trolls in ct/st/wod. Elitist.
*Guy who pulls/forces wipes to get kicked. Elitist.
*Skilled player not joining Joe Shmos learning party. Elitist.
*explaining how to play a job/do a mechanic. Elutist.
*explaining how to play a job/do a mechanic really nicely. Sometimes elitist.
*Telling someone struggling in content to do the same thing I did to do that content (find like minded people, research, practice). DEFINITELY Elitist.

everyone just uses elitist as some dumb catchall and synonym for jerk. Most of this crap is just trolling, immature people. Leaving a duty roulette 3 sec in doesn't show some sign of superiority complex. They just hate that encounter. trolling in st? Trolls in general? Screaming obscenities? You guys can claim that elitist definition is 'the egotistical approach of players who think themselves superior' all you want, but we all see and know that it's really just used as an insult to call someone an a $$hole without the need of a censor. That's how it's used.

The term has become so overused it has no meaning other than a synonym for jerk. But it is ALSO used synonymously with elite in game and on forums and has become the scapegoat for failing. Look at every QQ thread in general, and like a bastardized Godwin ' law, somehow elitists get blamed and wraps up all elite players into the bundle. Can't beat t5? Elitists. Can't learn titan? Elitists. Materia to pricey? Elitist ruining the market. Rmt tells? Elitist clear sellers. No more housing plots? Elitists buying multiple houses.

The elite already KNOW what the difference between elite and elitist is. But the general public has broadened the term so much that it covers anything they don't like about their experience. Just like 'toxic' and 'white knight' and whatever other flavor of the month insult is flying around. Once a phrase goes viral it gets applied to everything, even when it has little or no relation to the subject.

People have just created a digital 'The Man' and blame any and everything on the elitist Man. Stop blaming other people for your problems. You made 1 part finder after midnight that didn't fill, then cued up 1 time in t9 and you think you've exhausted all your options? 'Wtf am I supposed.to do!? I TRIED!' When the audience you are trying to appeal to spent 5-10 hrs a week for weeks or even months just practicing (making the group in the 1st place is another matter entirely) no, we don't have crap loads of sympathy. You played passively (make pf and sit. Cue df and sit) for all of 2 hours and you want those of us who actually worked foe weeks and months to have a group cry with you? Nope.

People need to actually try before they throw up their hands, come to the forums, beg for nerfs, blame everyone and everything around them but themselves. The Man (elitists) aren't holding anyone back and applying the term to any and everything may make you feel better but it won't actually help you. The trolls don't care you hate them. They are sustained by your rage and tears. The only thing you do by smearing the term around is alienate the actual elites that might help you out.

[Parapluies]

Different ways to be elitist ive learned in this thread:

*Player leaves duty before 1st pull. Elitist.
*Player leaves after 1 wipe. Elitist.
*Player leaves in less than 10 min. Elitist.
*Player leaves in less than 20 min. Elitist.
*player leaves before timer runs out. Elitist.
*Clear sellers. Elitist.
*Anyone screaming obscenities. Elitist.
*Explaining fight mechanics. Elitist.
*Creates farm PF with no sold bonus and kicking someone with sold bonus. Elitist.
*creating farm pf that even says 'no sold bonus'. Elitist.
*trolls in ct/st/wod. Elitist.
*Guy who pulls/forces wipes to get kicked. Elitist.
*Skilled player not joining Joe Shmos learning party. Elitist.
*explaining how to play a job/do a mechanic. Elutist.
*explaining how to play a job/do a mechanic really nicely. Sometimes elitist.
*Telling someone struggling in content to do the same thing I did to do that content (find like minded people, research, practice). DEFINITELY Elitist.

everyone just uses elitist as some dumb catchall and synonym for jerk. Most of this crap is just trolling, immature people. Leaving a duty roulette 3 sec in doesn't show some sign of superiority complex. They just hate that encounter. trolling in st? Trolls in general? Screaming obscenities? You guys can claim that elitist definition is 'the egotistical approach of players who think themselves superior' all you want, but we all see and know that it's really just used as an insult to call someone an a $$hole without the need of a censor. That's how it's used.

The term has become so overused it has no meaning other than a synonym for jerk. But it is ALSO used synonymously with elite in game and on forums and has become the scapegoat for failing. Look at every QQ thread in general, and like a bastardized Godwin ' law, somehow elitists get blamed and wraps up all elite players into the bundle. Can't beat t5? Elitists. Can't learn titan? Elitists. Materia to pricey? Elitist ruining the market. Rmt tells? Elitist clear sellers. No more housing plots? Elitists buying multiple houses.

The elite already KNOW what the difference between elite and elitist is. But the general public has broadened the term so much that it covers anything they don't like about their experience. Just like 'toxic' and 'white knight' and whatever other flavor of the month insult is flying around. Once a phrase goes viral it gets applied to everything, even when it has little or no relation to the subject.

People have just created a digital 'The Man' and blame any and everything on the elitist Man. Stop blaming other people for your problems. You made 1 part finder after midnight that didn't fill, then cued up 1 time in t9 and you think you've exhausted all your options? 'Wtf am I supposed.to do!? I TRIED!' When the audience you are trying to appeal to spent 5-10 hrs a week for weeks or even months just practicing (making the group in the 1st place is another matter entirely) no, we don't have crap loads of sympathy. You played passively (make pf and sit. Cue df and sit) for all of 2 hours and you want those of us who actually worked foe weeks and months to have a group cry with you? Nope.

People need to actually try before they throw up their hands, come to the forums, beg for nerfs, blame everyone and everything around them but themselves. The Man (elitists) aren't holding anyone back and applying the term to any and everything may make you feel better but it won't actually help you. The trolls don't care you hate them. They are sustained by your rage and tears. The only thing you do by smearing the term around is alienate the actual elites that might help you out.

Hey filthy elitist, I pay sub every month, dont tell me what to do !
It's easier to blame the elitist than trying. Human tend to do the easier way, right ?