Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Kiroh]

Ah. A day back on the forums and I'm already reminded why I put half the people here on ignore.

I'm sorry, I'll correct that right away.

You have a duty as a human being to not be a liability to everyone around you if you don't want to be a complete and utter failure that drags everyone else down with you.

[Skeith-Adeline]

Holy shit, 38 pages. When i went to sleep, I could have sworn there were 15 or so, if that.

[Skeith-Adeline]

The main reason I think people fail at end game, is they have ZERO raid awareness, they are so focused on dodging that next mechanic that they don't see what the hell is going on around them, if everyone had better raid awareness then DF groups would be fantastic, people could adjust on the fly to a bad meteor placement. Double ice about to hit you? No worries just gonna chase down that fire out. Instead people just tunnel vision trying to do their classes role which is not how it should be, you should know your class inside out, that should just be muscle memory and second nature to you.

I agree and disagree. The errors you noted shouldn't be there in the first place, and if we don't correct the source, it'll happen again. Babying doesn't create skill. Placed a meteor bad? Call the person out. Make sure that doesn't happen again.

[charlemagne]

Nobody should be blaming elitists for being elitists or casuals for being casuals. We all pay our however much gil per month for the game and should be free to play the game as we wish. Some people could be nicer though, that would be cool.

[Jamein]

I agree and disagree. The errors you noted shouldn't be there in the first place, and if we don't correct the source, it'll happen again. Babying doesn't create skill. Placed a meteor bad? Call the person out. Make sure that doesn't happen again.

I think you mis-understood, I wasn't saying we should babysit anyone, or not call them out.
What I was trying to get across in that, was that good players can adjust on the fly, sometimes shit does happen and something gets a little off, but if you know what you are doing you can adjust on the go and compensate.

[Davester]

Nobody should be blaming elitists for being elitists or casuals for being casuals. We all pay our however much gil per month for the game and should be free to play the game as we wish. Some people could be nicer though, that would be cool.

while i do agree with you to a certain point,paying for the game does not entitle you to play the game 100% how you wish,yes you can play what you want,you can avoid what you don't want to play but,in everything you do you should be aware that other people's fun and free time is at the stake,i am saying this due to the raise of the blizzard blms and the random button clickers that,when told that's not how the class is played start raging and the most common answer to that is something among the lines of "stfu[insert insults and derogatory terms here] i pay sub i play however i want"or the ones not dodging and throwing around the same thing.
yes paying for the game entitles you to play it how you want,but when you are doing something with other people,have atleast a minimal amount of knowledge and ability to not be a liability,it's most apparent with the CT series,where it's almost always 8-10 people carrying,5-7 trying to afk and get carried,and the rest playing bad enough to need being carried

[warren-ragnarok]

Then the good players get tired, they feel their frustration mounting. Maybe they lash out, maybe they just leave. The carried players, still unable to get their clears come to the forums and post things like: "Increase penalty timer for leaving an instance. Community is toxic. I can't get a group. Nerf this fight. Game is full of elitists."

this quote right here, this is part of the reason that draws a line between groups, and its a double edge sword. people want to get in, get their 25%/50% echo and try to get the easy win, very few of those people actually TRY to learn the mechanics and learn to play their job well. many people go into instances looking for a carry too, sadly this also pisses some players off badly.

i think what SE SHOULD do, for echo (so bad players and people with connection issues) can actually clear it on their own and not rely on carries is add a slowing effect to cast bars of enemies (while it doesnt help the community as a whole, it will at least make casual players less likely to anger elitist)

[Skeith-Adeline]

but if you know what you are doing

If they knew what they were doing, the issue wouldn't be an issue.

[Elendil_Voronda]

I can mostly agree with you.

However not watching a guide is not the sign of a bad/weak player. To some players the challenge of learning a new fight is more fun then beating it. And often times those players have learned to quickly adapt to new situations and formulate tactics on the fly. This is is skill that is not easily gained and is even harder to obtain if all you ever do is watch/read guides.

Sadly that challenge u mention is only available the first week of a new content release. After that, and specially on very old content, not studying the fight watching videos or reading a guide, is just being disrespectful to the others that you party with. Many times i´ve seen Titan fights where people simply have no clue at all, and that is a fight that's more than one year old. by coming uninformed you get no challenge, you'll only embarrass yourself.

[Jamein]

If they knew what they were doing, the issue wouldn't be an issue.

Debatable, even those of us who have done the raid 100's of times still have that lapse in judgement once in a while. No one is perfect, you can know something inside and out and on the odd occasion still make a mistake, like I said, as long as everyone knows what they are doing, its easily recoverable.

I forgot to cover the monk in t13 during earthshakers the other night, he assumed I would cover him and we got a nice little puddle next to bahamut, it happens, but we just adjusted the megaflare positions and carried on, no big deal.