Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Mavka]

DF and PF are the realm of less experienced players. DF specially, but PF too. On DF you're BOUND to find non-experienced players. on PF you're bound to find people lying about their experience in order to get in the group, because it's the only way they are even going to have a shot, ALL groups are "farm" or "experienced players only". EVERY. LAST. ONE. OF. THEM.

There's a bit of an assumption there, Since DF and PF trends are different on a data center/ server basis. I know from my JP data center times that DF is meant for people that don't have the time to get a full party set up but still want a clear on the content they want to do, where PF is more for the learning parties since you'll be willing to put more time into it. And if you can vouch that every group in your specific PF is "farm" or "exp players only" with no exceptions I recommend a server transfer.

[Eej]

lmao how do you call yourself an elitist without any dreadwyrm gear or a wind-up louisoix

[Urthdigger]

And if you can vouch that every group in your specific PF is "farm" or "exp players only" with no exceptions I recommend a server transfer.

Most servers are that way though. You either pay for a win and learn nothing, or try and sneak into a farm party. Getting 7 people willing to waste their time helping one noob just doesn't happen. At least not without a 20 mil pricetag.

[Dement]

Sorry, was bit vague on that I guess. Some of my static members join teaching parties in a FC to help those who want the clear. But there are many people who goes in there, and expect to for a carry. We don't help those people.

I guess I'll give a specific example. 3 of my static is helping with a T13 clear. I was on my smn main dpsing. Our clear was right after the last akh morn, just as enrage gigaflare is casting. One melee is parsing below 350 for almost every pull, with echo, even after he got the weapon. And I think one of my static member already went to him regarding his rotation.

Us willing to help does not equal to people willing to listen. And not all sellers treat others as potential customers.

I suppose that's fair and I may have jumped on your comment too quick. I don't have a very optimistic view of run-sellers for the most part solely because I hate getting into farm parties where halfway through the first run it becomes painfully obvious that someone bought their original clear. But, to each their own and actually helping others learn and improve isn't a bad thing.

[Kumabear76]

Funny thing is it's always the TANKS who are lacking. I figure most of them finda parties easier and already got their clears, so why bother.

Here's an opportunity for me to get back to the main topic.

While I certainly can't speak for everyone, what I have noticed is that many of the "tanks" in PUG's these days don't main as Tanks. A lot of us who do main tanks have become rather burned out by how the community treats us. Many are tired of always being forced to speed run, or other players not bothering to work together, or just outright blaming us for their screw-ups. We all screw-up. but slinging blame doesn't help.

Anywho, older veteran tanks eventually just get tired of it and don't PUG as tanks anymore. To fill the void, many DPS'ers and Healers level up a tank job and come in with their preconceived notion of how tanks should be. (many of which leave us with the bad tank stereotypes). I, for one, find it really hard to pick up my axe for someone I don't know unless I see their need is great.

That being said, if I was on your server, knowing now how much you would need a clear, I'd probably help. All I can do from Leviathan server, though, is wish you the best of luck.

I am not an "elitist", just a tired veteran.

[dark494]

Love Hyperion. We're all elitists there, because we know we won't hold other players back in any content whatsoever. And we'll will always be an elitist, failure is not an acceptable norm. We learn, we adapt, we grow. Stagnation and helplessness is not conducive to a productive server.

[Dante_V]

I think a distinction should be made between "elite players" and people with "elitist" mentality. The former are quality players, contribute to the community, have cleared some of the hardest content like Final and Savage coil, and are generally revered by their peers.

The latter are a group of people "self defined" per their own definition and really are generally just toxic, think they are better than they are, unwilling to help and so on. These people are were the pejorative term of elitism is held. A truly Elite player is in the top tier of the community. If you haven't cleared the hardest content in the game you aren't "elite" by any objective standard and I wouldn't consider myself Elite in the slightest. Clearing EX primals doesn't make you elite. Likewise self proclamations of being elite are baseless. Facts require proof and evidence. Now don't get it wrong, I'm not saying if you haven't cleared final or savage coil you are a bad player. I am saying that if you haven't cleared these things you are hardly "elite" by any real standard regardless of what you may claim or think.

When we talk about the most "elite" QB in the NFL, the ones without superbowl rings will be removed from the equation fairly quickly. It's because elite has a definition and the title means you are one of the few of the best at doing what you do. Does that mean the others were bad? absolutely not. They just weren't elite. Likewise if you don't have a final or savage coil clear you are hardly elite because again, this word has a definition and if you are so elite you have the proof to back it.

The point being is that the "elitist" declaration isn't reserved for good players, it's reserved for players who aren't as good as they think they are which seems to be a large amount. They somehow feel entitled to the least amount of effort clearing content, the least amount of wipes and so on. The simple reality is that if you haven't cleared the hardest top tier content you aren't "elite" anymore than some joe throwing around a football in his backyard claiming to be an elite quarterback.

[Izsha]

OP have my likes.

This whole elitest junk is just semantics. To be elite is a state of being. It is to BE a land owning nobleman. It is to BE a rich person with truckloads if money. It is to BE highly skilled at basketball/fencing/archery/ffxiv/insert skill here.

The Internet has just been co-opting the term to mean a$$hole.

To be highly skilled at ffxiv encounters is to be in an elite class of players. To be an unbridled #&$!*# to everyone is an attitude, not a state if being.

Eliteness is a state. Being good at something at a given time is just a binary true false state. You are great (right now) at titan or you arent.

Being a prick is an attitude and has no bearing on your abilities.

Separate issues the Internet is converging into a single word. It's just silly. Terrible players can be dicks too, but they do it while causing wipes.

[Dante_V]

e·lite
əˈlēt,āˈlēt/
noun
noun: elite; plural noun: elites

1.
a select part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability or qualities.

[Dement]

Your server must be some kind of utopian paradise, then. Me and a bunch of other people already told about a much harsher reality in this topic. Please tell us where that magical realm where T5 and T9 parties actually happens is. We only heard it in legends.

...Me and a bunch of other people...

...a bunch of other people...

if a bunch of people need it, and the forums is just a small sample size (likely skewed towards people who play the game a lot and thus desire to visit the forums), then there are likely a bunch of people on your server that need it too. Figure out how to find them.