Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Ashman]

Please let's refrain from comparing this to IRL politics. This can get into a slapfight as it is, don't need an actual issue in the mix.

I'm not sure how many people have a vested interest other than eating popcorn 9 pages in. When i do post on the OF, i do so in hopes that someone at SE reads it and realizes that the vocal majority is not the only people playing etc.

[AlexionSkylark]

Snip Snip opening post

OK, then. I get it. I get it all.
Now, there's another thing you're leaving outside your argument: DF and PF are the realm of less experienced players. DF specially, but PF too. On DF you're BOUND to find non-experienced players, by DEFINITION. on PF you're bound to find people lying about their experience in order to get in the group, because it's the only way they are even going to have a shot, ALL groups are "farm" or "experienced players only". EVERY. LAST. ONE. OF. THEM.

It's OK to be an elitist, as long as you don't mingle into random parties expecting to find experienced people.
Experienced people have statics. They have FCs. They have their cliques, as you put it. If you go into random matchmaking expecting to find only experienced players, you're in for a very bad time.

The issue here is MISPLACED EXPECTATIONS, that's what you people DON'T GET. If you join a PF group, or if you queue in DF, you should very well know what you're signing up for. Yes, there will be at least one person who never set foot on the place neither he watched a video. That's PAR FOR THE COURSE. If you're not willing to put up with it, YOU SHOULDN'T JOIN THE GROUP AT ALL.

That's what you elitists need to learn. If you come, come to help, come to laugh, come to wipe. Come to teach the fight little by little to the baby ones. If you want to farm, if you want a quick clear, go to your static or your FC. Don't expect to get this from random grouping. Newsflash: less experienced players also don't want in their group veterans who'll spew at them for not knowing the fight and abandon them after a wipe or 2 just because this wasn't a quick clear.

[Cendres]

Interesting to see the other side. I'm an insanely casual player. So I run dungeons once in a while, I'm at the stage where once in a while is getting to be most of the time though and I'm starting to see what it's like to do the same trial/dungeon over and over and just KNOW the fight.

I understand it's frustrating to play with people that sometimes don't play the way you do or react in a manner that's always respectful. And honestly it's nothing to do with new players or elistist players it's about attitude. Some people have bad attitudes no matter if they are elistists trying to rush through for their drops/tomes or new and expecting to be carried.

You will always encounter people with crappy outlook on things, that's the joy of grouping with strangers. Which is why when I encounter fun groups I make a point of telling them how much fun I just had and how excellent people they are.

[Ashman]

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Casual or not, you sound like you have your head on straight. I'd happily help you out because you sound open to suggestion and willing to try.

The guy above you doesn't share your outlook. I'd happily let him get his turn 5 clear in DF or PF.

If you join a PF group, or if you queue in DF, you should very well know what you're signing up for. Yes, there will be at least one person who never set foot on the place neither he watched a video. That's PAR FOR THE COURSE. If you're not willing to put up with it, YOU SHOULDN'T JOIN THE GROUP AT ALL.

This is why people set the PF comments and ilvls that people complain about. It gets old to have someone EXPECT you to hold hands for PF and DF. Then, if you expect them to learn to fish instead of being handed a single fish at a time, they shout at you in bolded, underlined, red text caps that you should get out.

[Davester]

OK, then. I get it. I get it all.Now, there's another thing you're leaving outside your argument: DF and PF are the realm of less experienced players. DF specially, but PF too. On DF you're BOUND to find non-experienced players, by DEFINITION. on PF you're bound to find people lying about their experience in order to get in the group, because it's the only way they are even going to have a shot, ALL groups are "farm" or "experienced players only". EVERY. LAST. ONE. OF. THEM.

It's OK to be an elitist, as long as you don't mingle into random parties expecting to find experienced people.
Experienced people have statics. They have FCs. They have their cliques, as you put it. If you go into random matchmaking expecting to find only experienced players, you're in for a very bad time.

The issue here is MISPLACED EXPECTATIONS, that's what you people DON'T GET. If you join a PF group, or if you queue in DF, you should very well know what you're signing up for. Yes, there will be at least one person who never set foot on the place neither he watched a video. That's PAR FOR THE COURSE. If you're not willing to put up with it, YOU SHOULDN'T JOIN THE GROUP AT ALL.

That's what you elitists need to learn. If you come, come to help, come to laugh, come to wipe. Come to teach the fight little by little to the baby ones. If you want to farm, if you want a quick clear, go to your static or your FC. Don't expect to get this from random grouping.

so by what you say,i am the wrong one and the big bad elitist prick because while recruiting people i was very specific that i would like to have people who have finished a fight then proceeded to tell the person that wiped everyone and doesn't have a clear "not cool bro" and removed him from the party,and not the guy that expected to be carried and lied his way through a group then proceeded to waste 7 other people's time,now why does that sound wrong,hmmmmmmm

[AlexionSkylark]

It's more like they don't have a choice. It's either that or never finding a group, cuz NOBODY wants them.
N O B O D Y.

[Davester]

i've yet to clear a single fcob turn with a static,but i never joined a farm party without atleast letting them know i am a 100 sol and got the ok from every member before joining ,and here i am on 13,people lying and wasting other peoples time are the agressors not the victims no matter what

[BunnyChain]

OP a.k.a. self-proclaimed 'elitist' that complains about the complaining.

[Mature]

We don't carry :P If we are farming, we don't want others to presumably leech. There are reasons why persons haven't cleared, and one of the most blatant is the person lacks the ability to clear.

You missing the point. It's the wording , a simple T10 farm Is enough description giving away that this is not a learning party nor a clear party. Saying one shot , no noobs it's a clear example of moronic idiots who believe they are amazing. And don't forget it's not always the lack of ability to clear, it's the lack of practice. If you have no practice how do you expect people to clear? hence the lack of people joining a learning pf when they already cleared. Now you ask why will anyone who cleared coil (example) will join a learning party? Because YOU had help to clear stuff too as everyone else. People just forget How they started.

[Gardes]

It's more like they don't have a choice. It's either that or never finding a group, cuz NOBODY wants them.
N O B O D Y.

Oh stop the bs. If the elitists are only a part of the population and nobody wants to help someone, that means not even the non elitists wants to help them. That can only mean that the elitist whiners are hypocrites or the one needing help are unlikable. Considering that it's likely that the latter is part of the former, it's probably BOTH. A server cant be a few thousand strong and only have 7 be non elitist. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that if a self proclaimed casual is having trouble getting groups, it's their own fault. But then again, by the casual's argument, that 7 can piss off because they dont matter. Maybe it's time they realize pressing 'join queue' or 'join party that specifies them not to join' doesnt entitle them to an instant win.