Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Arixtotle]

It certainly undercuts the notion that ffxiv is designed to be friendly for casual players when the community approach is to insists they watch a let's play of the content.

It certainly makes it difficult to recommend to people in real life. If they have to watch the game on YouTube before playing it, then what justifies playing it?

Casual here; I don't understand what's so hard about watching a video or at least reading a guide for high level content?

[ilmynasa]

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Hi, I sell in Behemoth. I can tell you yes, most of my group of sellers is not willing to help someone with a clear unless it is a close friend. We will not join a "T11 clear party" on PF as a missing class. How many people would join a learning party of a complete stranger just to lend a helping hand? I've seen many "Please help! Moogle Ex!" or "T5 clear. Really need this..." on PF, did you consider joining?

Some of us help, yes, but please do understand we have our own patience. Wiping in a turn for an hour due to lack of DPS is not fun after an hour. I mean, if we are helping on our main DPS job, and the group barely beats the enrage timer, then do the rest of dps deserve that clear?

Another question is which contents are NEEDED? Coils are definitely not NEEDED, this is end content, hard mode primals is required, but I have never seen a sale for that. EX is not required but we get sales for that a lot, mostly for ponies.

[Anna_Lannis]

It certainly undercuts the notion that ffxiv is designed to be friendly for casual players when the community approach is to insists they watch a let's play of the content.

It certainly makes it difficult to recommend to people in real life. If they have to watch the game on YouTube before playing it, then what justifies playing it?

That's because the raiding content in this game is based on Japanese shooter mechanics, instead of an actual RPG. It's actually a shallow bastardized version of a WoW raid; the bad ones. I wish we could actually have a Lady Deathwhisper, Alliance/Horde Airship battles, Kargath, MoP Treasure Room, The spider boss right before you enter Orginmar, Onyxia, etc. instead we have a bunch of tank-check, heal-check, DPS-check bosses, that aren't actually fun. All we have in terms of EX primals, coil raids are just brutal ilvl checks, dodge the AoE, Kaizo Mario BS. The ones that people think are easy are the ones that are well designed (Leviathan EX, Avatar) that had action elements to them (such as pushing towers or not getting knocked off) but still had RPG elements to it (like the Allagan debuff or the Water Viel that stacks the more you healed the tank). Leviathan also had organic methods to make sure you had two tanks and two healers, as opposed to forced "tank swaps" or ifrit's Searing Wind attack.

[Dement]

Hi, I sell in Behemoth. I can tell you yes, most of my group of sellers is not willing to help someone with a clear unless it is a close friend. We will not join a "T11 clear party" on PF as a missing class. How many people would join a learning party of a complete stranger just to lend a helping hand? I've seen many "Please help! Moogle Ex!" or "T5 clear. Really need this..." on PF, did you consider joining?

Some of us help, yes, but please do understand we have our own patience. Wiping in a turn for an hour due to lack of DPS is not fun after an hour. I mean, if we are helping on our main DPS job, and the group barely beats the enrage timer, then do the rest of dps deserve that clear?

Another question is which contents are NEEDED? Coils are definitely not NEEDED, this is end content, hard mode primals is required, but I have never seen a sale for that. EX is not required but we get sales for that a lot, mostly for ponies.

I'm not sure how run-sellers factor into the discussion of people getting help on instances.Run-sellers don't help. Period. Every person they help for free is a customer gone. Run-sellers typically won't teach you a turn, they'll make you kill yourself and then 7-man it so that you can't screw it up. You walk out of the encounter worse than you went in because now you don't have the 100 sol message so people expect you to be experienced but you still don't have the slightest clue what's going on.

[JonBigwood]

The attitude that demands others watch a video before playing is selfish pure and simple. Many players wish to experience content the first time by actually playing it.Shocking I know, imagine that wanting to play this game instead if simply viewing it on You Tube....

Watching a video won't help a lot really, but if you want an experience where nobody knows what to do, all the group has to be in the same situation, like when you do content the first day and nobody has been there before. If somebody is going to explain it, it will not be a real first time experience and reading a guide or seeing a video would have been better really, a video or guide is never like real playing and does not spoil things much more since the rest of players already know what to do. And you may not spoil other people's game as much. Other people's experience is as important as yours, it's a team game and the normal thing is try to do your best. You can make a party in PF for completely new people for the place or a no explanations, experience party.

[Ashkendor]

I'm not sure how run-sellers factor into the discussion of people getting help on instances. Run-sellers don't help. Period. Every person they help for free is a customer gone.

That's a very broad brush to paint even a small portion of the raiding community with, so I can't agree. My static has actually been helped on every single turn since T9 by a fairly prominent run seller on my server. He genuinely enjoys running Coil and genuinely enjoys helping people clear. He's a really fun guy to be around, but isn't afraid to tell you exactly what you're screwing up and how you can fix it. I wish I had more opportunities to party with him, actually. The fact that he sells runs is basically the path of least resistance to earn gil. Some of us are good at crafting. Some of us are good at playing the market. He's really really good at raiding, and more power to him for making money from it.

There are going to be run sellers that will help, and there are going to be those that won't. *shrugs*

[Malevicton]

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I'm also on behemoth and helped some random dude with a t5 just yesterday :P

Some run sellers might help people, some won't. They're still people at the end of the day. Being a run seller in and of itself doesn't make someone more or less likely to join learning parties.

[AlexionSkylark]

you will need to put in the same amount of effort that people that cleared it before Echo and DF put in

Actually it's not the same effort. First because it's a feasible option to find learning / clear parties on PF... WHEN THE CONTENT IS BLEEDING EDGE. Second because as time advances, more and more people will have cleared the content and will be less patient with people who don't know it yet. Third, the number people who need that clear dwindles as time go by, making harder and harder to put together a party with each passing week.

So no. It's not the same effort. I GUARANTEE you went through much less pain to find people willing to wipe on T9 back when you cleared it than you would right now.

[Dement]

I do admit that may have been too broad of a stroke. What I was thinking of explicitly was not one run-seller helping out a mostly pre-made party but a group of run-sellers are not likely to take on an individual who needs the clear pro-bono. They wouldn't hand a clear over that they can charge for.

[gamesmart]

I'm also on behemoth and helped some random dude with a t5 just yesterday :P

Some run sellers might help people, some won't. They're still people at the end of the day. Being a run seller in and of itself doesn't make someone more or less likely to join learning parties.

Supporting this as another seller, I help people in my FC through T5 whenever I have time. I'd also help with T9s but I'm currently in midterm season so I'm busy with that (and also working on a second relic).

Just because we're not in public shouting "FREE CARRIES COME AND GET SUM" doesn't mean we're not still helping people out.

I do admit that may have been too brought of a stroke. What I was thinking of explicitly was not one run-seller helping out a mostly pre-made party but a group of run-sellers are not likely to take on an individual who needs the clear pro-bono. They wouldn't hand a clear over that they can charge for.

I dunno, I've made and seen arrangements such as these before. It doesn't happen nearly as often, but it still does.