Im sick of

[JimboTCB]

Spoekes, I'll use LotA as an example. Though this goes for any fight. And also not just for healers. This happens with DPS as well.

I get within Shield Lob distance of KB. Due to lag, reflexes and movement I may very well hit face pull distance. As I was running, a healer tossed Medica 2 on the Party just to get ready for the floor DoT. Or a ranged DPS proceeds to unload into their rotation with damage buffs. Before I can get in position or even get more than Fast Blade off, KB has snacked on a Healer and is looking at either another healer or DPS. Voke, still try to get in position. But seconds after that Voke, someone else that has unloaded is going.

Provoke on its own is basically worthless, it puts you at max enmity +1, so if there's any DOTs or HOTs ticking you're going to lose aggro straight back where it came from. What you should be doing is prepping a Halone combo, then provoking and immediately hitting Halone so you get on top of the aggro table and then add a big pile of threat straight away.

And if you're grouped with people who like to go in hard from word go on the DPS, you need to do the same. Fight or Flight, Shield Lob, Circle, Spirits Within and then into your normal rotation, and even the most determined DPS will have a hard time peeling the boss off of you.

[Spoekes]

Yeah LotA, basically all 3 tower raids, are a real adventure sometimes.
But I don't think he is talking about tower raids and fails like medica 2 pre pull, that's why I was asking where this happens to him.

[Brightsayge]

ive been in a couple of gar hm and if you got a white mage spamming med 2 before u can pull u wont get agro very quickly, especially if you are in sword oath.
usually they are trolls who just spam med 2 till they are out of mana, just voke and make sure u hit with roh combo and u should be fine after that. also u can unclick any regen or med 2 you have on you.

[repoe]

Hlr can pull agro with a mis timed/late aoe heal on a spawn add, t13 shadow example, if you hit the mob as it pops immediately and dont clip your animation with a follow up. Then yes I can see why you would lose agro. Both are at fault

[MichaelAngelus]

I'm sick of healers blaming tanks (...)

(...)A tank has to control the battle while keeping everything on the battlefield in check(...)

(...)people are quick to blame the tank

A) Let them. They will figure it out eventually, and you don't have to take it personally or agree with them.
B) The beauty of tanking! An experienced tank usually has great situational awareness.
C) Refer back to "A"

You can look at criticism in a detached manner. If you think it is valid, learn from it, improve your game. If you don't think it is valid, no need to prove yourself right, just do your thing =)
I find the WAR class to have a steeper learning curve than the PLD class but both learning curves are still independent from Tanking. What I mean by this, is that it is possible to play both PLD and WAR with great skill, and still be clueless in a group situation. Experience, awareness, and basic understanding of other classes can be great tools.

[VanilleFang]

I don't know how people don't understand how tanks can lose aggro. It's not only the tank's responsibility. If the healer (WHM) is spaming Medica/Medica II and Cure II/III, especially if they have PoM on, then they will pull hate. It's not always the tank's fault they lose aggro, regardless of content.

[Yumi_umi]

Cure/ heal bomb party then when boss or mob is aggro'd on to u THEN use shroud of saints to shed off the #1 emnity position to some unfortunate dps lol.
Hahahahahahahahaha

Don't understand how whms dunno how to do that.
Its like basic whm knowledge.
Heal bombing = gonna take an mp dive = obvious jump in emnity -> ofc shroud of saints is like the best possible thing u can use.

[Sanguisio]

Its a two way street guys.

Yes there are tons of healers who are pretty shit and just unnecessarily pump heals, or heal just before you pull and see the need to have HoTs ticking all the time especially just before an add spawns.

But i've also seen some tanks who wanna pull beyond their means, not pop def CDs and then bitch and moan because the healing necessary > their aggro production

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

[rjspencer4]

I've lost aggro plenty of times to a whm getting a critical heal during a spam.

[ErnestoGiovanni]

Unless a tank is close to my gear level I will pull hate, in a dungeon, as whm, it's my main and it's very overgeared for dungeons. But knowing this it's MY responsibility to keep everyone alive. If I pull hate as healer, I have to control the situation. War can grab hate easier off me than Pld, but pld can cover too and not force me to cure bomb myself. But if I am going all out, I cast 3 spells and holy until everythin is dead. Regen plus medica tics are about equal to a level appropriate cure 1 so I will take hate, the best thing to do os cover, and make sure that you don't die trying to get hate back by running into AOEs because as soon as I hit shroud, everything is going to eat your face. I have tanked for bad heals and healed bad tanks. If you do what you needed to then it's not your fault. Big hate grabs are all centered on the tank. Big cures are not centered on the healer, there I no reason to point enemy mobs at a healer and none to run away from a tank.