Im sick of

[sleepymountain]

I'm sick of healers blaming tanks because they spam medic and heal and pull agro. No matter how hard I try I cant pull it back if you are running around instead of towards me, I cant pull it back do to your bad decisions. Stop spamming heal if you are pulling the agro, I can pull it back if you quit your bad decisions.

If you think you can tank better than me, please try other than that STFU.

The warrior is clearly IMO the hard mode of all classes. I watched friends play both healer and DPS and I was amazed at how easy they had it compared to a tank. A tank has to control the battle while keeping everything on the battlefield in check, if anything goes wrong people are quick to blame the tank.

Of course all this is my opinion but as a warrior I had to say it as I see it.

[Spoekes]

Running away from the tank with aggro is a common mistake..

I am confused on how you say you lose aggro to a healer.
What content are you talking about? low level or high level?

In general I'd say you shouldn't be losing aggro to healing, especially in high level dungeons I cannot remember the last time I pulled off only by healing.

WAR hardmode of all classes... unarguably harder to play than a PLD in raids but in dungeons hardmode of all classes... no.

[Avyiur]

That may be the case Spoekes but I've run into quite a few bad healers who loooooooove to overheal. The act of healing itself doesn't pull aggro, its when you continue to heal and it becomes overhealing that aggro is pulled.

[Morvik358]

Spoekes, I'll use LotA as an example. Though this goes for any fight. And also not just for healers. This happens with DPS as well.

I get within Shield Lob distance of KB. Due to lag, reflexes and movement I may very well hit face pull distance. As I was running, a healer tossed Medica 2 on the Party just to get ready for the floor DoT. Or a ranged DPS proceeds to unload into their rotation with damage buffs. Before I can get in position or even get more than Fast Blade off, KB has snacked on a Healer and is looking at either another healer or DPS. Voke, still try to get in position. But seconds after that Voke, someone else that has unloaded is going.

I know we don't have it here. But Sunders people!

[Spoekes]

Yeah LotA, basically all 3 tower raids, are a real adventure sometimes.
But I don't think he is talking about tower raids and fails like medica 2 pre pull, that's why I was asking where this happens to him.

[rawker]

Spoekes, I'll use LotA as an example. Though this goes for any fight. And also not just for healers. This happens with DPS as well.

I get within Shield Lob distance of KB. Due to lag, reflexes and movement I may very well hit face pull distance. As I was running, a healer tossed Medica 2 on the Party just to get ready for the floor DoT. Or a ranged DPS proceeds to unload into their rotation with damage buffs. Before I can get in position or even get more than Fast Blade off, KB has snacked on a Healer and is looking at either another healer or DPS. Voke, still try to get in position. But seconds after that Voke, someone else that has unloaded is going.

I know we don't have it here. But Sunders people!

This is something I am going to comment upon. Provoke,early on,is kind of wasteful. In the first 10 seconds of an encounter, Shield Lob is enough to reclaim aggro. I reserve Provoke when I derped, died and wanna grab aggro as soon as I respawn

[cgbspender]

Muahah, creepy whm. They'd be better as Sch if they want precasts that much
Your post said it all. I wrote a small guide for my FC about many of those things you mentionned, so I pasted it on Squenix too, so every healer will hopefully benefit from it : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...hat-not-to-do.

[Brightsayge]

ive been in a couple of gar hm and if you got a white mage spamming med 2 before u can pull u wont get agro very quickly, especially if you are in sword oath.
usually they are trolls who just spam med 2 till they are out of mana, just voke and make sure u hit with roh combo and u should be fine after that. also u can unclick any regen or med 2 you have on you.

[repoe]

Hlr can pull agro with a mis timed/late aoe heal on a spawn add, t13 shadow example, if you hit the mob as it pops immediately and dont clip your animation with a follow up. Then yes I can see why you would lose agro. Both are at fault

[MichaelAngelus]

I'm sick of healers blaming tanks (...)

(...)A tank has to control the battle while keeping everything on the battlefield in check(...)

(...)people are quick to blame the tank

A) Let them. They will figure it out eventually, and you don't have to take it personally or agree with them.
B) The beauty of tanking! An experienced tank usually has great situational awareness.
C) Refer back to "A"

You can look at criticism in a detached manner. If you think it is valid, learn from it, improve your game. If you don't think it is valid, no need to prove yourself right, just do your thing =)
I find the WAR class to have a steeper learning curve than the PLD class but both learning curves are still independent from Tanking. What I mean by this, is that it is possible to play both PLD and WAR with great skill, and still be clueless in a group situation. Experience, awareness, and basic understanding of other classes can be great tools.