A small request of SE

[lilirulu]

Which would still be bad storytelling... Why do we need to make up scenes that never happened to get the story to make sense?

That's not bad story writing at all. Not everything needs to be explicitly shown to you especially in a situation where SE can't just make a special scene just because you happened to be going through the cut-scene on MNK. I was on SCH and I couldn't fight back at all so why should I be shafted because I wasn't on a class/job I haven't played since I reach 50 on it (and for some players haven't even leveled at all)? It's not fair or reasonable for one job to get special spotlight in the story.

And the way the scene finishes the brass blades walk up to you and you look over at Nanamo's corpse before the scene fades to black. That's the perfect set up for your character at least attempting to fight the brass blades. And then the scene when we are dragged into the Fragrant Chamber even hints even more at it. SE did as much as they could for players who would have wanted to fight back while also being fair to players who didn't or realized they couldn't. If you don't want to take what the gave you that's your prerogative but it's not poor story writing in the least.

[Rannie]

@ frederick22 Lol though I keep imagining that loki Vader and ultron show up at that point in time to hand your character a subpoena for copy right infringement

[Cilia]

I think we've forgotten what OP actually said in all this discussion. Reposted for your edification:

OP is asking the writers to throw out every remotely interesting tool in their toolbox and instead write a pleasant fluff fanfic where the player character never suffers any hardship on their way to victory. That's not a hero's journey; that's shooting fish in a barrel and it's stupid.

Hey, that's not fair! If you're going to proffer an argument at least include the full context! Here, like this:

Please, never include the PC in any cutscene that involves negative things happening that any job/class could possibly prevent. It's immersion breaking and amateurish storytelling at best, a case of "They didn't care" at worst.

OP isn't mad about how negative things happened to the PC, but that there were ways to prevent or avoid some of them depending on your class (or, just so it's included, how perceptive they were of the frame job).

However as I've gone over before, there are simply too many options that X class could take and Y class couldn't, or too many things Character A would or could do that Character B wouldn't or couldn't and vice versa. Since they can't program for any and every eventuality, SE just made the PC solemnly accept their arrest, and people going with "spitfire" personalities feel like their character was hijacked.

Immersion breaking? Yeah. Not in character for some players' PC? Yeah. Necessary evil? Yeah.

Immersion is broken in every cutscene anyway though, so I don't understand what the fuss is about.

Minfilia: "You're a great and selfless hero! We all love you!"
Player: These people love me! Screw characterization, that's awesome!

Teledji: "I'm arresting you for regicide!"
Player: Hey, that's not fair! My PC would totally fight back or something!

... there's no difference in immersion breaks, but this is probably what things went like for a lot of heavy RPers. I'd extrapolate that in regards to escapism, but I've not the time right now and that's not the topic regardless. Nope, I'll just tell you how I felt at the end of 2.5.5...

Minfilia: "You have to escape! You're the Warrior of Light, Eorzea's hope!"

...

(in Camp Dragonhead)
Cilia: "I never asked for this."

[Frederick22]

@ frederick22 Lol though I keep imagining that loki Vader and ultron show up at that point in time to hand your character a subpoena for copy right infringement

Wast me who said that btw lol

[Rannie]

I know that easier to type somethings on a cell as opposed to others

[Frederick22]

I know that easier to type somethings on a cell as opposed to others

Look im not here to debate something that is not related to this topic. I didnt alterated the comment of Cilia, all I did is to copy his quote and said that I like her arguments.
Beacuse, in geneal, they are good, informative, with a lot of lore knowledge and funny. I will say no more.

[Cilia]

@ frederick22 Lol though I keep imagining that loki Vader and ultron show up at that point in time to hand your character a subpoena for copy right infringement

OK, so I also added this to the other one. "Marvel Cinematic Universe content copyright Disney, all rights reserved. I don't own any of it, there's no way to profit off it, and it's parody anyway so please don't sue me!"

Also,

Lolorito: "How will your friends fight me, when they'll be so busy fighting you?"

Lolorito throws a sack of gil at the Warrior of Light.

Warrior of Light: "..."

Lolorito throws another sack of gil at the Warrior of Light.

Warrior of Light: "..."

Lolorito: "That usually works."

Warrior of Light: "Not everyone can be bought, y'know... it's actually not that uncommon... four out of five..."

Again, Marvel Cinematic Universe content copyright Disney, all rights reserved. I don't own any of it, there's no way for me to profit off it, and it's parody anyway so please don't sue me!

[Rannie]

Lol you didn't have to put any of that in there that was just my mind being extremely silly along with it. I enjoyed reading the part and wasn't debating Frederick on it just at the time he had quoted it and I was adding my own silliness to it. I've agreed with your posts and have enjoyed reading them.

[Bombast]

Which would still be bad storytelling... Why do we need to make up scenes that never happened to get the story to make sense?

Surely you jest. Providing endless possibilities for players to choose during critical portions of the story's lore, or cutting the Warrior of Light out of anything even remotely interesting that happens besides smearing primals into paste, is ok, but providing ambiguity to the story to help maintain your head canon is BAD?

This thread has been disappointing. It started with a lie (A 'small' request my ass) and devolved into a series of lunatic statements and complete ignorance on story construction, particularly for video games and lore.

[Cilia]

... as it stands Rem WOULD go postal on the Brass blades similar to Raubahn. She would also end up most likely heavily injured and be carried out. I don't say dead due to the ultimate plot armor only PC enjoy.

But that is not possible and there is no in story reason for an emotionally driven character to act as the PC does in the current CS. Short of SE dictating how she thinks and what her motives are which are a no-no in an MMO.

Hey now! You don't get to demand total control over your character's persona / actions and have the luxury of plot armor! Plot armor takes away control over your character's persona! You can't have it both ways... if you don't get plot armor that means you have to accept responsibility for the consequences of your actions, the good and the bad. Following this course of logic, Rem is either dead or incarcerated.

... you can't say "I want complete control!" and then try and use plot armor as justification as to how you'd make it out. If they take off the rails and you did what you wanted to here it's game over, whether you end up in the Masajara (SP?) Pit with Raubahn or hung from the rafters after a trial by kangaroo court. Game over is a big no-no in an MMO from both a storytelling AND business perspective.