A small request of SE

[Cilia]

... as it stands Rem WOULD go postal on the Brass blades similar to Raubahn. She would also end up most likely heavily injured and be carried out. I don't say dead due to the ultimate plot armor only PC enjoy.

But that is not possible and there is no in story reason for an emotionally driven character to act as the PC does in the current CS. Short of SE dictating how she thinks and what her motives are which are a no-no in an MMO.

Hey now! You don't get to demand total control over your character's persona / actions and have the luxury of plot armor! Plot armor takes away control over your character's persona! You can't have it both ways... if you don't get plot armor that means you have to accept responsibility for the consequences of your actions, the good and the bad. Following this course of logic, Rem is either dead or incarcerated.

... you can't say "I want complete control!" and then try and use plot armor as justification as to how you'd make it out. If they take off the rails and you did what you wanted to here it's game over, whether you end up in the Masajara (SP?) Pit with Raubahn or hung from the rafters after a trial by kangaroo court. Game over is a big no-no in an MMO from both a storytelling AND business perspective.

[Tsuga]

It was directed at Axem actually.

Though to address your points, as it stands Rem WOULD go postal on the Brass blades similar to Raubahn. She would also end up most likely heavily injured and be carried out. I don't say dead due to the ultimate plot armor only PC enjoy.

But that is not possible and there is no in story reason for an emotionally driven character to act as the PC does in the current CS. Short of SE dictating how she thinks and what her motives are which are a no-no in an MMO.

Don't most RPers ignore the main scenario for the sake of RP, and preserving their character? Most of the ones I've talked to have their own narrative that makes reference to things going on in the world, but they don't act like they're at the center of the story. At least that's how it was in 1.0, when I dabbled in it a little.

I think it's best to look at the game as having two narratives: The main story, and your story. According to the main story of the game, you're a thankless do-gooder who rises to scion, and later primal and ultima slayer, who saves the realm and is assigned the title "warrior of light". Your character is essentially "the good guy" or "the hero" in the main story, and will always do what's best for their friends, and the realm. Your story on the other hand can have your character be the swashbuckling captain of a pirate vessel, a travelling merchant out to rip off his fellow man, an exotic dancer who has two lalafells to feed back home! You can even tie it into the main scenario if you want to, but obviously that could cause conflict if you meet 9 other players who claim that they're the warrior of light who felled the ultima weapon.

I guess my point is that I think it's important for SE to take the wheel on your character when it comes to the main scenario, because if they do not assign characteristics to him/her, then essentially they're never going to please everyone with their special snowflake personalities. That or they'll end up having to go the mass effect route, where every option essentially leads to the same ending, anyway, because the narrative is instrumental for moving us along between patches and expansions.

[Balipu]

Don't most RPers ignore the main scenario for the sake of RP, and preserving their character? Most of the ones I've talked to have their own narrative that makes reference to things going on in the world, but they don't act like they're at the center of the story. At least that's how it was in 1.0, when I dabbled in it a little.

Well according to my blog on the lodestone I am a vampire hunter and I very rarely do anything if it doesn't involve hunting (for example I went into LcoA because my sources mistook Diabolos for a vampire and I used piles of books from the conjurer story quests and the relic weapon questline as lore on vampires) but I don't change the actual main scenario questline. Hunting is just a hobby. In the finalee I did my best to provide a justification for my passiveness. Wether it worked is another matter.

[Rannie]

Ok as long as that is all cleared up we're good. Lol...

See that's the thing though I honestly can't consider this game a normal MMO due to the facts that it's

A) a SE title
B) a numbered Final Fantasy Game due to how they are writing it and the direction it is going.

C) the history of Final Fantasy in general. Most people are expecting certain things in this game and a certain direction due to it being FF.

I guess also with that is I see it as a solo game that allows you to play with others like 11 did.


Edit: I'm weird I know it lol

[lilirulu]

Last time we got knocked out by a sleep spell it was long enough so the Amal'jaa were able to move us from the top of Eastern Thanalan to what I'd assume somewhere in deep in Southern Thanalan. That sure would have been an exciting climax wouldn't it? Getting put to sleep then waking up x hour later in a jail cell.

And you know maybe your character did fight back in Nanamo's room. We never see what happens after they come in and accuse us for murder but Ilberd dragging us in versus having us walk (which would have been more convenient) heavily implies we got roughed up (if it was from just general abuse or resisting is never stated).

[Durthane]

Last time we got knocked out by a sleep spell it was long enough so the Amal'jaa were able to move us from the top of Eastern Thanalan to what I'd assume somewhere in deep in Southern Thanalan. That sure would have been an exciting climax wouldn't it? Getting put to sleep then waking up x hour later in a jail cell.

And you know maybe your character did fight back in Nanamo's room. We never see what happens after they come in and accuse us for murder but Ilberd dragging us in versus having us walk (which would have been more convenient) heavily implies we got roughed up (if it was from just general abuse or resisting is never stated).

Which would still be bad storytelling... Why do we need to make up scenes that never happened to get the story to make sense?

[lilirulu]

Which would still be bad storytelling... Why do we need to make up scenes that never happened to get the story to make sense?

That's not bad story writing at all. Not everything needs to be explicitly shown to you especially in a situation where SE can't just make a special scene just because you happened to be going through the cut-scene on MNK. I was on SCH and I couldn't fight back at all so why should I be shafted because I wasn't on a class/job I haven't played since I reach 50 on it (and for some players haven't even leveled at all)? It's not fair or reasonable for one job to get special spotlight in the story.

And the way the scene finishes the brass blades walk up to you and you look over at Nanamo's corpse before the scene fades to black. That's the perfect set up for your character at least attempting to fight the brass blades. And then the scene when we are dragged into the Fragrant Chamber even hints even more at it. SE did as much as they could for players who would have wanted to fight back while also being fair to players who didn't or realized they couldn't. If you don't want to take what the gave you that's your prerogative but it's not poor story writing in the least.

[Rannie]

How is it bad sorry telling when they cause us to use our imaginations and think outside of the box?

[Rannie]

@ frederick22 Lol though I keep imagining that loki Vader and ultron show up at that point in time to hand your character a subpoena for copy right infringement

[Frederick22]

@ frederick22 Lol though I keep imagining that loki Vader and ultron show up at that point in time to hand your character a subpoena for copy right infringement

Wast me who said that btw lol