Cowards Abound

[LineageRazor]

The fact that "eating the penalty" is a commonly accepted option just reinforces my opinion that the 30 minute penalty is too lenient. As I've said before, the penalty for early withdrawl should match the remaining time on the instance, no exceptions. Additionally, this penalty should be applied if the group chooses to kick you to prevent folks from getting a "free out" by force-D/C or harrassing the group. While this would be abusable, it's better than having a penalty system that has no teeth at all. If you feel like you've been unfairly booted, report the booters.

Draconian? Yes. But it's pretty obvious that the kid gloves we've been handled with so far just aren't cutting it. If eating the penalty is the better alternative, then the penalty isn't doing its job. If this drives some folks to avoid Roulette entirely, then so be it; the folks who remain will be a better grade of player anyway.

[Twilite]

Well if enough people are unable to get it done due to selfish players, maybe Yoshida will change the fight some, who knows. Steps of Faith is essentially determining how many sales Heavensward will generate. If a lot of players can't complete it, there is no point in buying the expansion.

[Kallera]

Uh. The best way to do it, as far as I can recall, is having as much DPS on the boss as possible and just let the cannons worry about killing the adds. A tank pulls the adds under the boss so that the cannons can do damage to everything at once.

This is correct, ideally the adds should be so dealt with that the NPCs helpers get to wail on the boss as well. Best I've gotten was a few seconds after the music changes. I'm certain people can push the clear even further back.

I tend to throw in a swing or two if I see one of the big adds at low HP and we're not at the gate.

[Warlyx]

/em rests on the cane ....sits down boys , cough ...on my old days....we wiped and none rage quited or called others bad (lie but was rare) , or blame it on lag....we learned , rezzed and tried to overcome the encounter and yeah im talking about PUGS before all that cross-server thing even existed...

today is all about ME , fast , now!!! , ME again , everyone is a special snowflake ,and every deserves to win.

Failing / losing teach u more than winning :P

and yes i quited some dungeons/trials before ,but those were hopeless runs , because ppl lack skill/interest to learn / missing 2 tanks 1 healer and 10 min passed.

but ppl ragequit even before duty start.

and SE isnt stupid , they put this on Trial roulette for a reason

[AceHunterIce]

The fact that "eating the penalty" is a commonly accepted option just reinforces my opinion that the 30 minute penalty is too lenient. As I've said before, the penalty for early withdrawl should match the remaining time on the instance, no exceptions. Additionally, this penalty should be applied if the group chooses to kick you to prevent folks from getting a "free out" by force-D/C or harrassing the group. While this would be abusable, it's better than having a penalty system that has no teeth at all. If you feel like you've been unfairly booted, report the booters.

Draconian? Yes. But it's pretty obvious that the kid gloves we've been handled with so far just arnt cutting it.

[Adire]

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I'd be more supporting of this idea of people getting kicked getting a penalty if SE actually enforced vote kick abuse being punishable.

They do not however, as stated by GMs (more than happy to show proof if needed). It's a bad idea to give players such a huge amount of power over other players' gameplay anyways.

Best to just give the extra penalty to people who leave early if anyone, not people who are kicked, lest we see innocent players being abused and slapped with a penalty, insult to injury. That is unacceptable.

[Eidolon]

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So are you going to give a penalty to people who will stop using the roulette altogether? Because I'll be honest, if SE pulled something like this? I'd not use the roulette anymore.

Punishing people isn't the best way to get them to do content. People like you who want to hold a gun to their head only make them more defiant. The best way would be to incentivize good play.

A new player bonus / increased reward for SoF is a good start. Giving a way to reset on wipe will help. Adding some kind of reward (loot) for clearing will also help.

But to try and change the penalty system to something so easily abused? No thanks.

[AceHunterIce]

I have a good idea. Why not offer a spectators mode or something of the like. Get vet players to join in-progress duty and assist a party that is having difficulty with a duty. They can point out issues with thefight by simply just watching. If they finish successfully you get a reward as well for assisting them.

Just an idea I'm throwing out

[Catwho]

I got rolled into this in Trials because I'd accidentally kept "in progress" checked. They had 31 minutes on the clock, so I figured I'd stick around. Might as well right? I'd eat the same time in penalty anyway.

We actually got it dead on the 2nd try with about 10 minutes to spare. The group listened. The canoneers were good. The tower guy learned from his mistake (he went before snares on the first try.) We DPS'd the snot out of the dragon.

[AceHunterIce]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Somebody tell me again... how is this so hard