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    Well if enough people are unable to get it done due to selfish players, maybe Yoshida will change the fight some, who knows. Steps of Faith is essentially determining how many sales Heavensward will generate. If a lot of players can't complete it, there is no point in buying the expansion.
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    Steps of Faith should probably be removed from "Duty Roulette: Trials" and instead be added to "Duty Roulette: Main Scenario" so that it inst affecting people who are farming HM primals for quick lights for their nexus/mahatma stages. I think this is the real issue here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespar View Post
    Steps of Faith should probably be removed from "Duty Roulette: Trials" and instead be added to "Duty Roulette: Main Scenario" so that it inst affecting people who are farming HM primals for quick lights for their nexus/mahatma stages. I think this is the real issue here.
    What I know, people who farm HM Primals for Light tend to do specific search instead of roulette. but that might've been on my server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    What I know, people who farm HM Primals for Light tend to do specific search instead of roulette. but that might've been on my server.
    No, even without Steps there's too much garbage in the trials pool to make it worthwhile for light farming. People will queue specific for whatever's on bonus window, or just whatever they can disengage their brains from and farm the quickest.
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    I will stay if I get Steps of Faith for at least 2-3 attempts if I happen to get it in Trial Roulette.

    I am even willing to volunteer for special mechanics if people won't speak up to do them, but so far all of my wins have happened when I was healing the raid under the dragon. I do think that two of the main reasons that many people will "run away" from this trial are because of the coordination required and the amount of time it takes, win and lose. Now, I make my best effort to never run anything unless I feel that I can set aside adequate time to either finish it or time out of it. If I get something, I commit to it unless members of the party are being absolutely despicable and disrespectful. But I understand that not everyone wants to deal with the possibility of players who won't communicate and/or refuse to volunteer for cannons or dragonkiller. There is also the possibility that the group's damage may not be high enough to clear the fight, even with mechanics used, which can lead to a loss of hope in an otherwise sound group. The low damage is probably well below SE's expectations and suggests a lack of focus on the cannons and boss or faulty rotations, but it's a natural consequence when playing with strangers. Making a partial or full premade with friendly people is a nice way to clear this trial if too many people keep fleeing in the DF. I did it blind on the second try with random people, but I was part of premades when helping a few friends and FC members clear and that seemed to help with the communication and damage problems.

    It isn't common for me when I log on these days, but the only time I would actively avoid trial roulette would be if I didn't have enough time to get stuck in steps for thirty minutes. Since I feel apathetic about roulettes lately and only do them when I feel like it anyway, I will generally give steps a shot when it does show up in my trials. I do tend to feel a little powerless when I see Vishap staring me down. Even though I make my best effort to help, I can't help but feel sad when the dragon continues to make it to the final gate with over 30% of its HP. I don't feel very helpful in those situations, even though I have had groups thank the people who have already cleared for sticking it out for a while.

    I don't know. I can only see this becoming a bigger problem in the future unless more of the people in the trial roulette adopt a helpful attitude. But at the same time, it really is their right to play as they please and not have their time wasted by a roulette that would normally only take 5-10 minutes at max.

    I don't know how I should feel about this.
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    I'll happily take Steps of Faith over Ramuh EX. Everyone has their trial that they would rather not do.

    Would be nice if it dropped something, being the final trial in ARR. But I'm sure the Vishap card will arrive in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    I'll happily take Steps of Faith over Ramuh EX. Everyone has their trial that they would rather not do.

    Would be nice if it dropped something, being the final trial in ARR. But I'm sure the Vishap card will arrive in time.
    No no no no no no please no
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    So far I've noticed that even if people do the bare minimum with the cannons (even miss one or two of the dragon killers or w/e) if the group has two competent melee you can still faceroll the fight fairly nicely. I don't usually do the roulette anymore but one time I queue'd on a whim, people were using the cannons to kill the adds and were kinda fumbling on the stuns/snares but myself and the other melee stayed on the boss and we managed to just burn him down and kill him in a oneshot right before he made it to the end XD.
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    Last time I wad in it ( I already have it completed by the way) I explained to people what to do where to go kept telling a dpd to help kill adds instead of the big dragon I was tanking and its hard enough to kite the adds to the cannons with out dps stealing hate.

    Short story an hour wasted but will still run it if I get it cause ya some still need it.

    I'll jest be more of a jerk when I'm giving out instructions.
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    Kuma Bearpaw
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    It is times like this where the cultural differences really stand out.

    Japanese gamer 1: I need something from this content.
    Japanese gamer 2: Really? So do I. Let's team up and both get what we want.
    Japanese gamer 1: Good idea. So how should we do this?

    But here...

    American gamer 1: I need something from this content.
    American gamer 2: Really? So do I. But this isn't going to work because everyone else is stupid and not as good as I am.
    American gamer 3. Yeah, it's a waste of time. I quit.
    American gamer 4: Well this won't work. This is bad programming. It must be the developers fault that I didn't get what I wanted from this content.
    American gamer 5: I'm going to write a formal complaint about it!
    American gamer 6: So am I!
    American gamer 7: If this just had some kind of reward rather than progression I could bother wasting my time to help other people.
    American gamer 1: Well, if one of you quits first, I'll quit too.
    American gamer 8: Umm... but I still need this to progress. Can you help please?
    American gamer 1-7: No. This is a waste of MY time. I quit.
    American gamer 8: *sigh* Back to Duty Finder again.
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    Last edited by Kumabear76; 04-27-2015 at 11:09 PM.

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