Relationship between Bahamut and Midgardsomr?

[Zohar_Lahar]

Middy didn't place a complete seal on the aether at Silvertear; some was still leaking out. Primals could still be summoned before the Battle of Silvertear Skies, but it was a lot harder.

Is that even canon anymore? They never brought up primals being connected to the lake in the dungeon.

[Duuude007]

So, not sure about you guys but I don't think any of them look like Bahamut :\ at all. I guess we'll know for sure once we're done with Heavensward.

Note: 7 broods, but only 7 dragons. Midgarsormr cannot represent a brood because he is the father of all broods. That leaves Bahamut.

[Fenral]

It'd totally make sense to me if they built Dalamud in Silvertear Lake right next to the Crystal Tower and on Middy's doorstep, and launched it into orbit from there.

Considering what he did to the Garlean fleet for even trying to claim the area... seems like an unlikely project for him to allow to be completed on his doorstep, without some reason. What reason, though? Could be anything at this point, with how little we know.

But FFXIV geography is weird, and while the Crystal Tower looks to be damn near on top of Silvertear Lake in-game, that could (in "real" measurements) be malms and malms and malms from the area Mrgrmr cared to guard. Maybe.

[Mholito]

Note: 7 broods, but only 7 dragons. Midgarsormr cannot represent a brood because he is the father of all broods. That leaves Bahamut.

There are 8 dragons in the artwork if you count Midgardsormr. Try looking at it again.

[Nalien]

Considering what he did to the Garlean fleet for even trying to claim the area... seems like an unlikely project for him to allow to be completed on his doorstep, without some reason. What reason, though? Could be anything at this point, with how little we know.

That's what really gets to me, because we know what Crystal Tower was eventually adapted to be; A Voidgate for the Cloud of Darkness to claim Eorzea from. Basically it turned into an end of the world device, but Middy was cool with that? The way Xandes spoke also made it sound like Meracydia was the last place to fall. Dravania fell before hand? There was no Rising Chorus to unite all Dragons against Allag, yet we have one to unite them all against the (vastly inferior, I think) Ishgard? That really doesn't add up to me, really wish I could question the smug little minion over history... /sigh

No. I much prefer the idea that Middy came after, and was guarding the Tower itself (which technically was sealed below Mor Dhona, if the whole seal business even got carried over into 2.0). Garlemald constructs Bozja Citadel with the help of Cids father in an attempt to tap into Dalamud; Effectively creating a copy of Crystal Tower, albeit an imperfect one which blows up in their face. Then they fly the Agrius over Mor Dhona? Yeah, we can connect the dots here I think. That is an absolutely solid justification for his aggression towards the Garleans. While it would also be true if there was a seal beneath the Falls which he broke (by crashing the Argrius into the seal... not a very good job of guarding it...), he now has no reason to guard that area; Either the seal is gone or we rendered Crystal Tower inert, we stopped the covenant between Xandes and the Cloud of Darkness. There is no reason for him to prevent anyone from trying to access it (and he gave his "life" stopping the Garleans from doing so, though that eventually proved futile).

[LineageRazor]

So, not sure about you guys but I don't think any of them look like Bahamut :\ at all. I guess we'll know for sure once we're done with Heavensward.

Well, one thing to bear in mind is that a Primal doesn't necessarily need to look exactly like the historical figure they were based on. The original Shiva, for instance, was most likely not a giant, blue, floating woman. Bahamut the primal might only superficially resemble Bahamut the original.

Another thing to keep in mind - I'm not sure it was ever stated that Bahamut was one of Midgarsormr's seven sons? He could be a grandson, or even further removed still. People assume he's one of the original brood because he's ancient, enormous, and powerful, but it's not impossible to imagine that a son might become more powerful and successful than his father, or his father's father. Bahamut was a legendary hero among the dragons - but he doesn't have to have been among the first of the dragons.

[Nyalia]

One thing to be careful about when speaking of Eorzean geography is that the Calamity rearranged the land somewhat. The Crystal Tower could have been built relatively far from Silvertear Falls, but after the land shifted due to an artificial moon crashing into it and then a giant dragon exploding like a nuke, the two locations could have been pushed together.

[Nalien]

One thing to be careful about when speaking of Eorzean geography is that the Calamity rearranged the land somewhat. The Crystal Tower could have been built relatively far from Silvertear Falls, but after the land shifted due to an artificial moon crashing into it and then a giant dragon exploding like a nuke, the two locations could have been pushed together.

I don't think the geography changed that much. The only things which have really moved were the Twelve Stones, entire locations didn't swap places, the Calamity mostly just caused some "superficial" scars to show up. Even the most drastic damage/movement (the Descent in lower La Noscea) isn't nearly as substantial as Crystal Tower moving from, lets say South Shroud to Mor Dhona. It would also have had to have moved other places, like Saint Coinach's Find, which is directly connected to the Tower by a road (interestingly does anyone else also notice a road leading to the Lake as well?), which just seems very unlikely to me. Then there is the placement of Omega; NPCs even speculated that Darnus chose that location to drop Dalamud so that Omega could be dealt with and not be a potential threat to Bahamut, indicating that, prior to the Calamity the area was "known" to have Allagan Ruins. Given Omegas role and Dalamud and Crystal Towers relationship, it makes sense that it would be situated close to the Tower.

The Calamity did more unearthing that causing drastic movements, I think. Eric even gave us a pre-Calamity idea of where the Tower was; Exactly where it is now.

[treuhavik]

Well, one thing to bear in mind is that a Primal doesn't necessarily need to look exactly like the historical figure they were based on. The original Shiva, for instance, was most likely not a giant, blue, floating woman. Bahamut the primal might only superficially resemble Bahamut the original.

This.

I'm not sure it was ever stated that Bahamut was one of Midgarsormr's seven sons?

It was confirmed during the last interview that Bahamut was among the Seven Celestial Dragons, making him Midgardsormr's offspring.

One thing to be careful about when speaking of Eorzean geography is that the Calamity rearranged the land somewhat. The Crystal Tower could have been built relatively far from Silvertear Falls, but after the land shifted due to an artificial moon crashing into it and then a giant dragon exploding like a nuke, the two locations could have been pushed together.

The Crystal Tower did move, actually, but not far enough, I think, to avoid it's detection by Midgardsormr.

[Nyalia]

I don't think the geography changed that much.

Huh, okay, fair. And I didn't mean it moved much, just from somewhere not directly lake-adjacent. I thought some areas shrank from the calamity pushing stuff closer together, justifying the smaller maps in 2.0? Or are chunks just totally removed?